"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Negging is emotional abuse

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@Atom Smasher this is so spot on, wow! The entire post but the above quoted for emphasis.

I've posted here a few times how the best men have that perfect blend of 'beta' and 'alpha,' the best of both. But many men want nothing to do with beta, they believe it's a bad thing, when it's so not, it actually 'adds to' a man's appeal and attractiveness.

By beta I mean kindness and caring, and by alpha I mean dominant, bold, a certain arrogance and superiority.

And negging/teasing, that arrogance or rather playful arrogance comes from their alpha side, but it's done in good fun, and women know that or should, and it very much "adds to."

I also acknowledge your previous response to me and agree that a woman should be demonstratimg that she's worthy of a man's time; his subtle non-verbal demand she do so reflects his value and self-worth, which are also highly attractive.

Anyway, thank you for voicing this; some posters here advocate for never listening to what women say, but perhaps since you, a man, said it, they will pay attention.

Edit: Perhaps @BeExcellent could chime in with her thoughts, I'd be interested in hearing another woman's perspective.
I just wouldn’t use the term “beta” to describe those qualities. Beta is using those admirable qualities exclusively, in which case they turn into manipulative, weak qualities.
Being kind, polite and respectful to people who have earned it are all ingredients of being “alpha”.
I know you know that and it’s really a matter of semantics.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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The ability to playfully tease your date is either in your DNA or it's not.

I have seen guys painfully try to tease a woman when their personality is just not conducive to it. It's like watching a goldfish trying to hit a 90 MPH fastball. Cringe worthy. Most guys who are good at it are naturals and are outgoing, funny, observant, and charismatic.
This. I don’t believe it is learnable, despite what the commercial gurus say. It is either your natural personality, or it isn’t. It’s totally cringe when a guy tries to fake it.

I can rib a guy friend or my brother a bit. That’s just male bonding. But teasing women is completely foreign to me (and my highly introverted personality) and feels very weird.
 
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It’s like talking to a woman during sex or slapping that bootay- you either get it or you don’t.

 

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This. I don’t believe it is learnable, despite what the commercial gurus say. It is either your natural personality, or it isn’t. It’s totally cringe when a guy tries to fake it.

I can rib a guy friend or my brother a bit. That’s just male bonding. But teasing women is completely foreign to me (and my highly introverted personality) and feels very weird.
If you know anyone who has cats, practice messing with them. It's fun, their personalities are somewhat like women's, and there's no rejection risk involved
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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As I've gotten older I've noticed my own parents "negging" me. Particularly when I'm in the limelight. Once I realized it, I started calling them on it, especially when they brought up one little thing or worse yet made up something.

Growing up like that I DID learn self deprecation and to tolerate teasing. I can agree and amplify and then turn just about anything back on the person who is trying to make me look bad. As a result I told my youngest daughter when my father did the same to her, that I was not going to do that as her father, particularly about something she was passionate about.

Just about everything we do to win a woman's favor is manipulative. it is to create a result in our favor. Some folks just take it farther than others. No one's an angel in this subject period...
 

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All,

A friendly reminder that negging is emotional abuse.


The media wants men to stop being leaders. The media wants us to stop negging.

The first time I met the woman who was to be my wife, I immediately negged her. I wasn’t even trying to get her. She ended up marrying me, so I don’t think she minded the negging.

Around that time, my soon-to-be wife was getting phone numbers from male passengers every few days. None of them negged her.

Never stop being a man. Never apologize for being a man. Ignore the media’s constant propaganda against men

That is all.
Men wouldn't do it if it didn't work, so it's their own damn fault for being backwards.
 
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