Reasons on why Hypergamy is extremely overblown

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

1). To get your GF or ONS, you more than likely beat out a higher SMV guy.

If Hypergamy is so bad then why didn’t your girl choose you over Kyle, Muhammad, or the Tyrone in her friendzone? Could they have had relations before? Sure, but none of that matters now because she picked you! We think what a girl is attracted to is extremely linear when it is far from it tbh. Not every girl finds Brad Pitt attractive.

2). Girls have to compete for higher SMV men.

Y’all make it seem like a girl can just goto the grocery store and find a high smv. Incorrect, that high SMV guy is more than likely not single, can’t stay faithful, or has 10 different girls fighting for them.
Furthermore, that guy has to find her attractive and actually approach her.

3). It’s dating version of The Lost Cause Fallacy.

The Confederates & Nazis are really famous for this fallacy. The lost cause preserves defeat in the best possible light. For example, instead of admitting that you lost because of your mistakes, you blame it on unbeatable circumstances. In this case, instead of blaming yourself for losing frame, crappy attitude, loss in income, failing to validate properly beforehand, and etc, you just blame hypergamy to make yourself feel better.

 

[EyeBRollin]

1). To get your GF or ONS, you more than likely beat out a higher SMV guy.

If Hypergamy is so bad then why didn’t your girl choose you over Kyle, Muhammad, or the Tyrone in her friendzone? Could they have had relations before? Sure, but none of that matters now because she picked you! We think what a girl is attracted to is extremely linear when it is far from it tbh. Not every girl finds Brad Pitt attractive.

She either hasn’t met Chad yet or he already pumped and dumped her. Or for some of us, we are Chad to her.

2). Girls have to compete for higher SMV men.

Y’all make it seem like a girl can just goto the grocery store and find a high smv. Incorrect, that high SMV guy is more than likely not single, can’t stay faithful, or has 10 different girls fighting for them.
Furthermore, that guy has to find her attractive and actually approach her.

Correct. Though this actually proves hypergamy is a thing.

3). It’s dating version of The Lost Cause Fallacy.

The Confederates & Nazis are really famous for this fallacy. The lost cause preserves defeat in the best possible light. For example, instead of admitting that you lost because of your mistakes, you blame it on unbeatable circumstances. In this case, instead of blaming yourself for losing frame, crappy attitude, loss in income, failing to validate properly beforehand, and etc, you just blame hypergamy to make yourself feel better.

This should actually be applied to women. She’s still with her average guy because he has significant time in. Eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. Women do their due diligence before monkey branching. Jumping from AFC to Chad is anything but safe, and women are security seeking creatures.

 

[eli77]

Interesting thread in any case the guy has to put his best foot forward practice good grooming habits get close that fit workout and validate right off the bat

 

[sangheilios]

You can do everything right and be in your best possible life at any giving time and still lose the girl. Its part of life guys and also part of being an adult.
Hypergamy is not a strait jacket.

I've seen countless examples of women chasing after losers and rejecting or leaving high quality men. I personally don't buy into this women chasing high smv men and all of that, I can cite tons of examples that show quite the opposite.

 

[Solomon]

I've seen countless examples of women chasing after losers and rejecting or leaving high quality men. I personally don't buy into this women chasing high smv men and all of that, I can cite tons of examples that show quite the opposite.

The term "high quality men" is highly subjective

I would say women are chasing "High attractive men" you don't have to be a quality guy to be a drug dealer, a hobosexual, a bum nor are millionaires, rich guys etc high-quality men nesscarily. If she finds you attractive then bingo

 

[sangheilios]

The term "high quality men" is highly subjective

I would say women are chasing "High attractive men" you don't have to be a quality guy to be a drug dealer, a hobosexual, a bum nor are millionaires, rich guys etc high-quality men nesscarily. If she finds you attractive then bingo

I'm 6'4" and ripped, I had a woman a few years back tell me I was "gross" but yet she's been in a relationship since then with a man that is over 300 pounds and totally broke/unemployed. I've seen women grow bored of good men and chase after losers because it excites them, both men were roughly equal in regards to attractiveness. Most women today have terrible mate selection abilities, which is why we see this so often.

 

[Solomon]

I'm 6'4" and ripped, I had a woman a few years back tell me I was "gross" but yet she's been in a relationship since then with a man that is over 300 pounds and totally broke/unemployed. I've seen women grow bored of good men and chase after losers because it excites them, both men were roughly equal in regards to attractiveness. Most women today have terrible mate selection abilities, which is why we see this so often.

Lol I don't believe this, how does a girl go from a ripped 6'4 guy to a 300Ib guy?

sorry bro if it was in reverse sure but this doesn't make any sense unless the girl was a mugger (ugly) to begin with, typically girls who date athletic guys don't then jump to fat guys unless she is a sugar baby or some shyt

 

[sangheilios]

Lol I don't believe this, how does a girl go from a ripped 6'4 guy to a 300Ib guy?

sorry bro if it was in reverse sure but this doesn't make any sense unless the girl was a mugger (ugly) to begin with, typically girls who date athletic guys don't then jump to fat guys unless she is a sugar baby or some shyt

We weren't dating, she rejected me but chose the other guy, I honestly wasn't all that interested in her anyway. Some women prefer "fixer uppers" or have a specific type that goes against this idea that all they do is chase "Chad".

A few years back I recall this clueless single mother, one that clearly had some legitimate misandry. Anyway, she didn't understand that a man that was alcohol/drug sober and was productive/normal and did well for himself was a good mate choice. Women like this are clearly broken but their mate choice is often related to them as individuals. I personally have a theory that women that are very insecure or feel that they don't deserve happiness tend to cling to unhealthy relationships with maladjusted men. I've noticed this especially with women who grew up with an absent father. However, I've also seen women like this get hurt enough where they start dating simps and weak men that they are relatively abusive and controlling towards, it's simply a response to what they were initial attracted to that burnt them.

 

[Solomon]

We weren't dating, she rejected me but chose the other guy, I honestly wasn't all that interested in her anyway. Some women prefer "fixer uppers" or have a specific type that goes against this idea that all they do is chase "Chad".

A few years back I recall this clueless single mother, one that clearly had some legitimate misandry. Anyway, she didn't understand that a man that was alcohol/drug sober and was productive/normal and did well for himself was a good mate choice. Women like this are clearly broken but their mate choice is often related to them as individuals. I personally have a theory that women that are very insecure or feel that they don't deserve happiness tend to cling to unhealthy relationships with maladjusted men. I've noticed this especially with women who grew up with an absent father. However, I've also seen women like this get hurt enough where they start dating simps and weak men that they are relatively abusive and controlling towards, it's simply a response to what they were initial attracted to that burnt them.

I do agree with you on this, and it makes sense you see some beautiful women with losers and wonder why and it's because of childhood or past trauma

Oh well mate her loss you dodged a bullet

 

[The Duke]

Women are more often than not so rational when it comes to who they pick. They are fueled by their feelings.

When a male who is typically rational minded tries to understand why an irrational creature picks who she does, he will often arrive at the wrong conclusion.

Be the best version of you and put it on the line. If they like it great, if not then it's next. Keep at it long enough and you will win more times than you lose. There are no short cuts.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Women look for different things at different stages of their life.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

What are the stages?

In my experience, women are always looking for commitment from a high value man. When they are younger, and due to male thirst, the options make it harder to choose. She’s also more naive and confused, liable to make bad decisions that she’ll regret when she’s older.

As women approach their mid 20’s they have a quarter life crisis, and then a mid-life crisis in their late 20’s. if she hasn’t secured someone by this stage she’s condemned herself to bitter spinsterhood, useless to all men of value because she’s used up, low trust and jaded.

I mean after being in a relationship that doesn't work with one kind of guy, they often will end up with the polar opposite type of guy.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

They cycle between alphas and betas. They feel unsafe with alphas and bored with betas. They just bounce between the 2

And they lean towards alphas in the summer (although it's winter now for you).

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Beta provisioning may become popular again as loaves of bread soon reach 100 dollars. Gotta love the globalists. The party is over soon.

I'm thinking that many of them will get desperate, I can sense them trying harder to lock men down online (not responding to game as much). I'm hoping a good number will say F it and want to live it up while they can.

The World Economic Forum people do seem to be getting desperate.

 

[Murk]

I'm 6'4" and ripped, I had a woman a few years back tell me I was "gross" but yet she's been in a relationship since then with a man that is over 300 pounds and totally broke/unemployed.

You might be 6'4 and ripped but you're also bald, middle eastern looking and give off psycho energy if I remember your pictures correctly.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Hypergamy, though an actual term, is mostly a self-preservation excuse for the guys that don't have what it takes to get and keep a good woman.

Most will wet the bed about higher value males. Yes, if a woman leaves you for another man, most of the time he is higher value. But in the vast majority of the cases, the higher value he has is mostly intangible: confidence, charisma, goals, drive, ambition, and communication skills (which 80-90% of all guys lack). It's rarely about the tangible value he has like money, car, house, whatever.

And if your woman did leave you for the tangible high value guy, then you don't know how to pick a decent woman.

Good luck.
Dash

 

[Murk]

Hypergamy, though an actual term, is mostly a self-preservation excuse for the guys that don't have what it takes to get and keep a good woman.

Most will wet the bed about higher value males. Yes, if a woman leaves you for another man, most of the time he is higher value. But in the vast majority of the cases, the higher value he has is mostly intangible: confidence, charisma, goals, drive, ambition, and communication skills (which 80-90% of all guys lack). It's rarely about the tangible value he has like money, car, house, whatever.

And if your woman did leave you for the tangible high value guy, then you don't know how to pick a decent woman.

Good luck.
Dash

100, communication skills and being a grounded human being is very overlooked. Women don't need as much as we think to be happy.

 

[Dash Riprock]

100, communication skills and being a grounded human being is very overlooked. Women don't need as much as we think to be happy.

What 90% of all men, even the ones who are older, don't get is that women strive for connection above almost all else. Yes, looks, stability, earning potential, and other things all count for obvious reasons, but women are very relationship-oriented and want a man they can communicate with and one that gets them.

Some guys will claim, yeah, well I know this women who only dates rich, tall, 9.9 looking, Lambo driving, bla, bla...guys. Yes, agreed. But there have also been guys in the NBA who were shorter than me (I'm 5'8). Just not that many.

 

[Murk]

What 90% of all men, even the ones who are older, don't get is that women strive for connection above almost all else. Yes, looks, stability, earning potential, and other things all count for obvious reasons, but women are very relationship-oriented and want a man they can communicate with and one that gets them.

Some guys will claim, yeah, well I know this women who only dates rich, tall, 9.9 looking, Lambo driving, bla, bla...guys. Yes, agreed. But there have also been guys in the NBA who were shorter than me (I'm 5'8). Just not that many.

Exactly. A recent thread was talking about women leaving men when they lose their job or get sick... literally, nothing could be further from the truth in my personal experience. Women who are into you will bend over backwards to accommodate you. On this forum we have men who are really living with experience, men who are half-living but reading too much "theory" and then men who have no clue but purport to have a clue.

I've always gone against the grain on this site, because my real life experiences don't match up to what is banded around the echo chamber.

It comes down to the man, we would all love to believe we are great, the truth is most men are just not doing it right, looking for excuses, black pilling, reading too many blogs and watching too much youtube. Life is very very very different.

 

[Steno]

I interpreted the message of this thread to be "Just be high SMV and have strong frame and everything will go smoothly". I strongly disagree, in fact I think its more beneficial to adapt the attitude of "I am NOT a chad so I have to screen extremely hard". I've noticed that most stable/productive dudes relationships usually go haywire due to bad screening rather than losing frame.

1). To get your GF or ONS, you more than likely beat out a higher SMV guy.

If Hypergamy is so bad then why didn’t your girl choose you over Kyle, Muhammad, or the Tyrone in her friendzone? Could they have had relations before? Sure, but none of that matters now because she picked you! We think what a girl is attracted to is extremely linear when it is far from it tbh. Not every girl finds Brad Pitt attractive.

This is a very risky mindset because a lot of women settle. Most women who struggle to get commitment entertain the idea of getting into a relationship with a guy she isn't that into just because she will derive some sort of benefit from it. The chick will just sneakily keep their options open and do shady stuff on the side until an opportunity to jump ship presents itself.

2). Girls have to compete for higher SMV men.

Y’all make it seem like a girl can just goto the grocery store and find a high smv. Incorrect, that high SMV guy is more than likely not single, can’t stay faithful, or has 10 different girls fighting for them.
Furthermore, that guy has to find her attractive and actually approach her.

I agree but I don't think its a healthy attitude to assume that you are high SMV just because you smashed or LTRed a chick. SMV is way too subjective and even if yours is overall very high, there are way too many factors, maybe some dude had a better pipe game, maybe some dude took her through a deeper roller coaster of emotions than you did, maybe some dude was more jacked than you, maybe some dude was way taller than you, maybe some dude had way more money than you etc. It might sound like a nitpick but over time one of these things can cause her to stray as she reflects on past memories and suddenly she has an itch she needs to scratch that you aren't able to satisfy. Generally I do think that having a high SMV helps but it isn't enough and you don't have a catalog at your disposal to compare yourself to every guy she has been with so all you are doing is assuming. Its always best to take a hard screening and vetting attitude rather than assuming high SMV.

3). It’s dating version of The Lost Cause Fallacy.

The Confederates & Nazis are really famous for this fallacy. The lost cause preserves defeat in the best possible light. For example, instead of admitting that you lost because of your mistakes, you blame it on unbeatable circumstances. In this case, instead of blaming yourself for losing frame, crappy attitude, loss in income, failing to validate properly beforehand, and etc, you just blame hypergamy to make yourself feel better.

I agree that it is generally best to be self critical rather than to point fingers. This doesn't really say anything about hypergamy though, they aren't interdependent variables.