Gen Z and Sarcasm

[HaleyBaron]

Several countries that you wouldn't necessarily associate with gun ownership or violence do (i.e. Switzerland, Czech Republic, Monaco, Lithuania, among others). Are you trying to suggest that gun ownership is somehow incompatible with democracy? How so?

I don't think this is his angle, but to me, guns are one of the greatest weapons against it, only because it gives people a real voice. "Democracy" these days means whatever the mob of the government want.

 

[Bokanovsky]

My dad had a gun and I used to shoot at school (we had a shooting club with rifles). I think it's still possible to use guns for recreation if you want, but it's not a common hobby. In the past that you talk about it maybe "gentlemen" (i.e. rich men) did have guns, but I doubt the average person could afford one. So I don't think there was ever a situation where the average guy in the street was likely to be carrying a gun. That was never the case. And I think the tradition in the US comes from the country's history of camping out in the wilderness and conquering new territory full of bears, indians and bandits. A gun was necessary to survive in those situations.

I find that difficult to believe considering that Britain was a highly militarized society up until the early 20th century. You do realize that the Second Amendment to the U.S. constitution is actually based on the English Bill fo Rights, which guaranteed the right to own weapons to all protestants?

 

[Bokanovsky]

I think that may be a misunderstanding of British history. There are many.

the main one being that the war of independence was to escape monarchal rule, which I know is taught in schools, yet omits the fact that the English civil war was fought centuries before to remove the right of the monarchy and that monarchy had power in ceremonial terms only since the late 17th century and the war of independence was fought against a constitutional democracy, not a monarchy.

At the risk of hijacking this thread even further, what you're saying is not entirely correct. The monarchy in the late 18th century was constitutionally limited but still a lot less ceremonial than it is today. Kings and queens still appointed and dismissed prime ministers at will and had major influence on foreign and domestic policies. But the War of Independence was mostly about taxes.

 

[GioWolf]

Is it me or are they full of $h!tty sarcasm?

from my observation, sarcasm in women is an ongoing sh1t/fitness test. They use it as rapid defense, it’s pretty easy to break through if your quick/witty back or used amused mastery. It’s very exhausting after a while though and it’s downright annoying with less attractive girls.

The problem with today’s world is sarcasm is almost impossible to read through electronic format, so when meeting women in person it’s fine, but it makes for terrible text game.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I was surprised that at what seemed a fairly dubious election result with lots of late ballots, and a record number of votes for a pretty unpopular guy, that the vanguard of armed citizenry didn’t protect it.

in terms of the government, the US FBI and police seem extremely heavy handed and brutal compared to the U.K., I could be wrong. The prison incarceration rates are sky high too. however; we have speech laws and I envy the right to free speech.
I actually love America and the ideas it was founded on.

The armed citizenry is being controlled by republicans who want the status quo. That's why there was little push back against Jan 6th, and the party has been docile since. Now they talking about suing through the court to get things done, despite the fact nothing ever gets done going through the government that just cucked you. I don't like Democrats, but the republicans are just as ***** whipped.

 

[HaleyBaron]

It’s very exhausting after a while though and it’s downright annoying with less attractive girls.

What pisses me off is that the uglier girls are using it with inflated egos. That's really what rubs me the wrong way. They have no business trying to act like that when they are at the bottom of the chart as far as attractiveness go. They are the last ones that should be **** testing.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Don't buy into the anti-gun propaganda. I've travelled extensively in parts of the US where gun ownership is widespread and not once have I felt like someone was going to shoot me for no reason.

Crime is more related to poor economic prospects, people with nothing to lose often resort to a life of crime. If you ban guns it would just lead to knife and truck attacks like in Europe.

Politicians and the media couldn't care less about addressing the root cause of the crimes and instead use guns as a very convenient scapegoat for positive PR.

Switzerland has a very high gun ownership, but when have they ever had a school shooting?

 

[ubercat]

Certainly noticed that having to manage millennials. Generally a nightmare because they're more femanized and teams don't have proper rolls and responsibilities that actually allows you to deliver anything. Everything is smoke n mirrors and a popularity contest in till some big boss comes and then suddenly you are the manager again and it's all your fault.

On a highly paid contract as an individual contributor at the moment because i got sick of the bs and it's a big project where I m learning a lot. Go back to project managing next year when i ve upgraded my social politics skills a bit

 

[Zimbabwe]

I would agree to the point that people do indeed use knives instead of guns.

The difference is that guns are much more effective. Hence the US homicide rate is 6X U.K.

So it isn’t the case that every murder is just knife related instead of gun related. The U.K. “knife crime epidemic” is very much amplified by US hun advocates who very much gloss over the fact the US has the highest homicide and violent crime rate in the developed world by an astonishing margin.

As for the truck attack, this is ISIS. They used 2 aircraft in NYC (same ideology) so it’s not really a valid comparison.

now, I don’t buy that the states should give up their guns - that would be an incredibly dumb thing to do because your criminals are all armed and you have probably billions of firearms.

I just take issue with the idea that “its the person and guns are just a tool”. It isn’t. The us murder rate is high for a reason. Switzerland isn’t a valid comparison. It’s a tiny wealthy country v a continent. Compare to the whole of Europe

There's more than one factor, let's have a look at where these crimes are happening.

It's predominantly in places with poor economic prospects like detroit. That isn't a coincidence, the UK doesn't have as many "ghettos".

Criminals will still find guns, they still do here in Australia where they have been banned for decades now with one of the strictest gun laws in the world. (Even airsoft guns are illegal here)

Guns are simply a convenient scapegoat, our society has serious issues with mental illness and uemployment prospects for a lot of our youth. Instead of adressing the root cause of the issue they harp on about guns.

If we look at Europe as a whole, yes crime is way lower unless you live in a migrant ghetto but that's a whole different can of worms.

 

[B80]

agree with all of that and I would like to add the prohibition of drugs. Wiseguys can’t go to the cops so need to make further and further out violent acts to dissuade being challenged.

tough thing about the drug thing is if it was legalised, then what next? The prohibition of, say, sex trafficking? Childtrafficking?
I suppose what I’m saying is that you can make the prohibition argument about anything and you end up in a place where some pretty bad things are legal.

I watched some of the Mexican cartel video stuff recently and I really regretted it. The enormous world cocaine business has so much profit, only the coldest psychopaths are getting in control. If only that could be legalised.

I actually think if cocaine were legal it’s demand would go down. Part of the allure is that it’s a forbidden, expensive and alluring pleasure. I took tons of it for years and once the “I’m a film star/gangster” vibe wears off, and you realise it just means another whole weekend with no sleep and a week of feeling like **** hundreds of pounds down, you don’t want it so much.

anyway, I’ve totally taken this thread off topic and should probably leave it there.

Sound similar lifestyle to my 20's!

A good book on the subject is called 'Chasing the Scream', goes into how the war on drugs started and why legalizing/decriminalizing is a better option now.

 

[B80]

If only I got the chance to read books what with all the work/exams/projects/renovations/fatherhood.

Saying that I get the time to post my nonsense on here.

Indeed mate, thats why I use audiobooks all the time now.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Not saying that bud.

what I meant was first world democracies as they are equivalent to the United States.
a lot of folks own guns in the Middle East and South America but they aren’t meaningful comparisons.

the point I was addressing was “who is weird?”

The point was made was that Europe banned guns and this means we are the ones being weird. Whereas the point I was making is the US is the outlier here. The US is kind of the experiment, the rest of the world prohibited guns, rightly or wrongly

An experiment is something new, something that hasn't be done before. In that sense, the U.S. is not an experiment but rather a remnant of how things used to be everywhere in the West. Gun ownership is associated with the traditional masculine culture and the spirit of self-sufficiency. Gun bans are a product of left-wing ideology and the nanny state. Just because the weirdos outnumber traditional men these days doesn't change the the fact that they are weirdos

 

[Plinco]

from my observation, sarcasm in women is an ongoing sh1t/fitness test. They use it as rapid defense, it’s pretty easy to break through if your quick/witty back or used amused mastery. It’s very exhausting after a while though and it’s downright annoying with less attractive girls.

The problem with today’s world is sarcasm is almost impossible to read through electronic format, so when meeting women in person it’s fine, but it makes for terrible text game.

To be clear, I'm talking about men too