"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

Read more...

Who pays for the date?

Josh Davidson

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Mar 21, 2021
Messages
351
Reaction score
140
Should the man pay for the date, or should both people pay their own way? Would paying for the date make me seem like a nice guy? I am only in it for the potential sex, in case that makes a difference.
 
Last edited:

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

Read more...

Georgepithyou

Banned
Joined
Jan 17, 2020
Messages
1,777
Reaction score
2,213
Age
30
Location
Sydney
Always split the bill, or you can pay for lunch and she pays for drinks or something. I don't believe a man should pay for everything unless his seeing an escort.

Women who demand men pay, are prostitutes in my eyes.
 

Josh Davidson

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Mar 21, 2021
Messages
351
Reaction score
140
Always split the bill, or you can pay for lunch and she pays for drinks or something. I don't believe a man should pay for everything unless his seeing an escort.

Women who demand men pay, are prostitutes in my eyes.
Ok. Thank you!
 

EyeBRollin

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 18, 2015
Messages
10,536
Reaction score
8,536
Age
37
Should the man pay for the date, or should both people pay their own way? Would paying for the date make me seem like a nice guy? I am only in it for the potential sex, in case that makes a difference.
The inviter pays. That is almost always the man especially in the beginning of courtship. Women who offer to split the bill are blowing smoke up your ass so they don’t owe you anything. Do NOT split the bill ever.
 
Last edited:

Josh Davidson

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Mar 21, 2021
Messages
351
Reaction score
140
The inviter pays. That is almost always the man especially in the beginning of courtship. Women who offer to split the bill are blowing smoke up your ass so they don’t owe you anything. Do NOT split the bill ever.
Ok. I won't. Thanks for the advice!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

Read more...

manfrombelow

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 28, 2021
Messages
1,715
Reaction score
2,209
Age
37
In the beginning of the courtship aka the very first 1-2 dates, the inviter pays. It's as simple as that.

You offered her the date, so you pay. And if the woman you're dating insists on splitting the bill on the 1st date, that's 100% bad omen. She's not sexually interested in you so she doesn't want to feel like she "owes" you anything because she's already knew there won't be a second date.
 

Georgepithyou

Banned
Joined
Jan 17, 2020
Messages
1,777
Reaction score
2,213
Age
30
Location
Sydney
The inviter pays. That is almost always the man especially in the beginning of courtship. Women who offer to split the bill are blowing smoke up your ass so they don’t owe you anything. Do NOT split the bill ever.
Your both going on the date, so why does the inviter need to pay? You shouldn't make urself so submissive
 

TheCharmingGuy

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Messages
325
Reaction score
272
Age
29
Location
North Carolina, US
Don’t split the bill unless the date went horribly and she wants to split it, in that case let her split it. But if the date went well then you should pay it all because you know there will be future dates in which you can split. But always pay on the first date unless it sucks.
 

Velasco

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 25, 2021
Messages
1,381
Reaction score
1,579
Age
32
Walk up to cashier with her, order what you want ("and that's it") and pay for your own sht. THEN ask her if she wants something or nah as your paying with your card. So she cant hit you with that, "yeah get me a...", as if YOU'RE the cashier lol.

if she does, then step aside and let her get and pay for what she wants. Fellas,,, she was gonna pay for lunch/dinner anyway. Not like because she came out on a date with you, she is therefore spending unnecessary money just cuz you the one who initiated the date.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

Read more...

TheCharmingGuy

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Nov 19, 2020
Messages
325
Reaction score
272
Age
29
Location
North Carolina, US
Good strat. Takes the pressure off the decision and you seem more of a gentleman without making it about gender roles.
 

EyeBRollin

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 18, 2015
Messages
10,536
Reaction score
8,536
Age
37
if she does, then step aside and let her get and pay for what she wants. Fellas,,, she was gonna pay for lunch/dinner anyway. Not like because she came out on a date with you, she is therefore spending unnecessary money just cuz you the one who initiated the date.
No, this is being cheap. It is neither classy nor attractive. If you extend the invitation, you pay the whole bill. That’s a gentlemanly habit every man should adopt. Only let her pay if she offers to do something else after the date like get ice cream. Otherwise, it is proper to decline her wanting to pay for the date that you planned. Tell her she has to do the inviting if she wants to pay.
 

manfrombelow

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 28, 2021
Messages
1,715
Reaction score
2,209
Age
37
No, this is being cheap. It is neither classy nor attractive. If you extend the invitation, you pay the whole bill. That’s a gentlemanly habit every man should adopt. Only let her pay if she offers to do something else after the date like get ice cream. Otherwise, it is proper to decline her wanting to pay for the date that you planned. Tell her she has to do the inviting if she wants to pay.
Exactly, if she offers to buy you movie tickets or ice cream after the date, then you're free to let her. But before that? Come on man, having a spine and having a frame doesn't mean being cheap.
 

PRW63

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 5, 2020
Messages
635
Reaction score
518
Age
63
Location
Illinois within driving distance of St Louis, Mo
a) I wouldn't do expensive first dates
b) pay for the first date
Same here. Actually the first few dates. There is no splitting the bill until there is a real relationship and we are now doing more expensive things. I pay because I am inviting them on what I am taking them on, it symbolizes leadership, who is in control, and I am the one in control of what the date is and how much it costs. I'm ok if they just want to handle the "tip".

The women who fight to split the bill, don't get a second date. They are either:
  1. a feminist
  2. want to be in control, it feels like you are in a battle for control when they do that
  3. don't trust me, so no point in seeing them again anyway
  4. probably a few more things I could add here if I wanted to think it through more
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

Read more...

Steel_Neurons

Don Juan
Joined
Apr 28, 2019
Messages
75
Reaction score
52
Age
55
a) I wouldn't do expensive first dates
b) pay for the first date
Yup. Personally, don't do movies, meals, etc for first dates. I'd just go for a coffee/drink and pay for it all. I'd be looking for more than just sex, though, so maybe it's not a great strategy for that?
 
Top