"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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She wants a second public date before coming to my place.

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Pot calling the kettle black... Isn't this what you do when it comes to OLD? You're a "6" so if you can get women and get laid, so can anyone else. LOL
No, that is simply telling the truth. Guys expect pvssy to just fall into their laps without putting in any work or effort. And start the rationalizations in 3...2...1...
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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What's up guys.

Went on a date yesterday to a local spot with a new girl. Date went really well - we each got one drink and she even offered to split the bill (I thanked her but paid the bill, after all it was only one drink). We then went for a walk, I initiated kino for most of the date, conversation was good, and we ended up making out a few times during the remainder of the date.

I invited her to my place this Wednesday night for dinner (and she would bring us some wine). I have not had a girl yet that I have met in person want to meet up a second time prior coming to my place, but this girl asked if we could meet up again in a public setting prior to coming to my apartment. She said it's not that she "doesn't feel comfortable", but "it's just not something I usually do on date #2, I would like to get to know you a little bit better if that's ok."

IL seemed very high on the date and still does, I am just not sure if this is a characteristic of a more quality girl vs. what I have been used to from OLD (some have come to my place either on the first date, or most have come to my place for a second date after getting a drink or coffee first).

Definitely interested in seeing her again though. HB 7.5, really sweet, great conversation, similar interests, well put together, etc. My plan is to meet up with her again in person this Wednesday for another drink. This time, if/when she offers to split the bill I will accept.

What do you guys think?

Interesting update:

She just texted me tonight saying that if I hadn't already made reservations for the place tomorrow then she has an idea of a spot. I agreed and she told me it's a tiny Italian byob alcohol place in the city and she would bring us some good wine. I said that sounds fun and she told me I could meet her at her place beforehand to pick up the wine together. Sounds like it may pay off to go on this second date...

What do you guys think?
 

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Interesting update:

She just texted me tonight saying that if I hadn't already made reservations for the place tomorrow then she has an idea of a spot. I agreed and she told me it's a tiny Italian byob alcohol place in the city and she would bring us some good wine. I said that sounds fun and she told me I could meet her at her place beforehand to pick up the wine together. Sounds like it may pay off to go on this second date...

What do you guys think?
It means if things go well during the date she will invite you to come inside once you get back to her place. Make sure you drive together so you have to go back to her place.
 

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but this girl asked if we could meet up again in a public setting prior to coming to my apartment. She said it's not that she "doesn't feel comfortable", but "it's just not something I usually do on date #2, I would like to get to know you a little bit better if that's ok."
she told me I could meet her at her place beforehand to pick up the wine together. Sounds like it may pay off to go on this second date...

What do you guys think?
Is this date 2 or date 3? I'm a bit confused.

Hmmm... if it's date 2, a little contradicting here on her part. Wouldn't you say since she invited you over to her place?

Ask yourself why you need to go there before the date to pickup the wine together from her place? Can't she just bring it with her?

Is she showing you that she's comfortable with you and/or is she providing some sort of opportunity possibly?

The fact that you kino'd and made out on the first date, I would see if you can get her in the mood before you go out and when you're at her place. Maybe work up an appetite.

One thing I always joke about in those situations is I ask the girl if she wants to work up an appetite or work it off afterwards with a smirk. LOL. But this definitely requires advanced calibration to read the situation correctly.

If sex does happen, I'm not sure how good it will be when both of you are bloated with Italian food afterwards...
 

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Is this date 2 or date 3? I'm a bit confused.

Hmmm... if it's date 2, a little contradicting here on her part. Wouldn't you say since she invited you over to her place?

Ask yourself why you need to go there before the date to pickup the wine together from her place? Can't she just bring it with her?

Is she showing you that she's comfortable with you and/or is she providing some sort of opportunity possibly?

The fact that you kino'd and made out on the first date, I would see if you can get her in the mood before you go out and when you're at her place. Maybe work up an appetite.

One thing I always joke about in those situations is I ask the girl if she wants to work up an appetite or work it off afterwards with a smirk. LOL. But this definitely requires advanced calibration to read the situation correctly.

If sex does happen, I'm not sure how good it will be when both of you are bloated with Italian food afterwards...
This will be our second date, and I agree dude! Very contradictory that she didn't want to come to my place but is now flipping the script and asking me to come to her place beforehand. My plan is to try to escalate once I get there to see if I can get a pre-dinner bang.

And I don't plan on buying much food since this is only a second date. Maybe an app or two? I wonder what her expectations are if she was thinking I would go all out and buy us dinner, but she has to earn that from me first. Not trying to drop that much cash with only a make out session on a park bench so far haha.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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One thing I always joke about in those situations is I ask the girl if she wants to work up an appetite or work it off afterwards with a smirk. LOL. But this definitely requires advanced calibration to read the situation correctly.
I love that hahaha. Definitely using this when appropriate with some of the girls I'm seeing.
 

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@TheNewStyle123 let us know how date #2 goes.
Updates:

Went to her place to start the date. Kissed her a little when I first walked in but definitely wasn't the right "mood" to just start banging. She showed me her place a little bit then we went to pick up wine. She bought us the wine to bring to the BYOB Italian place. We got there, great conversation, good kino, and she made a lot of references to being 'naughty', 'really attracted to me', and 'good thing we didn't go to my place because she probably would of done something she shouldn't do on a second date..."

In my eyes, that was a green light to try to fuuck. At the end of the date she also suggested bringing the last bottle of wine back to her place. Bingo.

We got there, had a glass, escalated immediately.... and nothing. We were making out a lot, along with a lot of other foreplay - but every time I would get close to getting her clothes off she would bring up that she "doesn't want me to just want her physically", or "I know what all guys expect on the first/second date." She wasn't bitchyy about it though, and honestly even just the foreplay I had with her was incredible and telling of how she will probably be in bed. At some point she said "I have never been this turned on or wet with anyone in my life. You're making me want to do bad things. Do you know how sexy you are?"

Instead of taking the compliments and feeling buttered up, I thought of a lot of lessons from here. Her actions speak louder than words. If all was true, why wouldn't we be fuucking already?

I really don't think this girl is over prude or not worth it - she seems pretty genuine and I'm sure that she will be a really good buck. We have plans to hang out this weekend (she was practically begging me to come over to my place at the end of the date), and I'm sure we will buck then. If nothing happens this weekend then I can only assume she is a tease - but I'm not getting those vibes. Based on conversations we had, I think she has been burned by guys in the past like this and her anti-slut defenses are WAY high. But she is an HB 7.5-8 (she looked even better last night than date one), good career, intelligent, and lot's of hobbies/talents so she's no dummy.

I'll update you guys on our weekend date, but I have a good feeling I'll get a lay.
 

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'good thing we didn't go to my place because she probably would of done something she shouldn't do on a second date..."
she was practically begging me to come over to my place at the end of the date
Alright, so why didnt you bring her back to your place? She alluded to earlier how she'd fck you if you'd went back to your place. Which I find weird, unless she has roommates/lives with parents?
 

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Alright, so why didnt you bring her back to your place? She alluded to earlier how she'd fck you if you'd went back to your place. Which I find weird, unless she has roommates/lives with parents?
She lives alone, and my place was like 30 min from where we were haha - separate towns.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Good stuff, man. You should have a nice weekend. What are the plans for that date?

How tall is this girl? Weird question, I know. But, how tall?
Thanks man! I'm pretty pumped. Out of all the chicks I have hooked up with since my divorce this one seems like she could be the best lay (TBD..). and she is probably 5'6" or 5'7", 100% Italian, nice C cups and a nice ass. Definitely my type.
 

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Alright, so why didnt you bring her back to your place? She alluded to earlier how she'd fck you if you'd went back to your place. Which I find weird, unless she has roommates/lives with parents?
Nah, @TheNewStyle123 played it right. What you suggested would be forcing and completely kill the vibe. You guys have to pace things more. Most guys on this forum can’t keep chicks aground longer than a month. This babe wants to bone him and it also sounds like she is considering keeping him around after. There is no need to blow this.
 

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Nah, @TheNewStyle123 played it right. What you suggested would be forcing and completely kill the vibe. You guys have to pace things more. Most guys on this forum can’t keep chicks aground longer than a month. This babe wants to bone him and it also sounds like she is considering keeping him around after. There is no need to blow this.
I'm with you @EyeBRollin. This girl is sexy and well put together. She's smart and wouldn't tolerate or fall for bullsh!t games. I felt pretty proud leaving her place (even though we didn't fuuck) because I played it cool all night and didn't seem desperate/needy. She has definitely been the biggest challenge so far (in a good way), and I anticipate we will bone this weekend.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Nice. Are you a good cook?

I fancy myself a Gordon Ramsay 2.0
Great cook man! I really enjoy it and have been teaching myself a ton of recipes for over a year. I think my best is Italian cuisine - as my grandmother has taught me a lot of her secrets. A fun date idea is I'll invite a girl over to my place and we will cook together and I will teach her the tricks of the trade. Plus, most of them end up saying I look sexy in an apron hahaha.

What do you like to cook?
 

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Thanks man! I'm pretty pumped. Out of all the chicks I have hooked up with since my divorce this one seems like she could be the best lay (TBD..). and she is probably 5'6" or 5'7", 100% Italian, nice C cups and a nice ass. Definitely my type.
Oooh...Italian...the highest percentage of women who love anal according to sex surveys are Italian...have fun :p
 

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Oooh...Italian...the highest percentage of women who love anal according to sex surveys are Italian...have fun :p
Hahaha no way! Well that's ironic - one of my plates (100% Italian too) just told me she wants to try that next time. Maybe I'll go 2/2!
 

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Great cook man! I really enjoy it and have been teaching myself a ton of recipes for over a year. I think my best is Italian cuisine - as my grandmother has taught me a lot of her secrets. A fun date idea is I'll invite a girl over to my place and we will cook together and I will teach her the tricks of the trade. Plus, most of them end up saying I look sexy in an apron hahaha.

What do you like to cook?
Yeah I am as well and like trying out fun new recipes and making stuff from scratch...

Women have told me how sexy they think it is watching me cook and when I give them instructions on what to do as my kitchen assistant, etc...

Plus it gives ample opportunities to do fun flirty things like grabbing their butts and sneaking up behind them and kissing their neck, etc...

Have only had maybe 1 or 2 instances of cooking dinner with a woman that didn't end up with us fvcking afterwards...
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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