How Important Is A Muscular Body?

[bonesmahoney]

it doesn't matter if you are muscular or not. I know tons of guys who are skinny or even a bit chubby who do well with the ladies.

Well, here's the truth. Anecdotal "evidence" from 2 or 3 anonymous forum members isn't the way to go about forming a conclusion.

I could cite dozens of examples, even from a single night out, of muscleheads who are not getting any action, hence the term gymcels.

 

[bonesmahoney]

Not to mention the deranged, mentally ill homeless who have colonized all local parks and rec trails.

If that's not enough to deter you, there are the millions of masked zombies out and about creeping up anything and everything.

The outdoors is truly a nightmare.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I have to disagree here. You can’t maintain strength without lifting heavy shvt. No amount of bands and press ups are going to substitute for deadlifting 500 lbs. Unless you’re moving boulders or truck tires I’d encourage men to either build a home gym with a power rack or find a way back into a commercial gym.

You don't need to deadlift 500 lbs to maintain size. Coming from a guy who used to deadlift 600 lbs.

 

[soulforge]

You don't need to deadlift 500 lbs to maintain size. Coming from a guy who used to deadlift 600 lbs.

You can hold onto muscle mass & retain your gains for several months if you stay on top of your diet.

And if you incoperate other types of fitness activities as I mentioned earlier.

In the last 11 months, I have been to the gym for only roughly 3-4 weeks.

Other than that.. I bought a bench & 2x dumbells weighing 22kg each.

Most of my cardio was cycling.. I also did 50 daily press ups, chin ups & squats with my dumbells.. Lots of dips for my triceps & bicep curls with lighter weights, applying very slow focused reps.

My diet has been tight.. 4/5 meals daily, high protein & low carbs.. And good fats only.

During lockdown & without having access to the gym, I have gotten in fantastic shape.

Gained a considerable amount of muscle without needing any seriously heavy weight at all.

Training from home being boring is no excuse.. Training, exercise should be your lifestyle with or without a gym.

 

[bonesmahoney]

Do whatever works for you. Although I believe weight/resistance/strength training of some kind is essential, to answer your question, no, it doesn't give you an advantage in dating.

It's just too easy to find endless examples of jacked guys who aren't getting laid.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Very important.

 

[EyeBRollin]

You don't need to deadlift 500 lbs to maintain size. Coming from a guy who used to deadlift 600 lbs.

Strength, not size.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Strength, not size.

Got it...well, yeah that's true but at some point you have to back off once you get to a certain point or else you are going to injure yourself repeatedly.

 

[jaymbrs]

Yes and no. I grew up playing soccer my whole life so was very lean with a 6 pack. Then I quit and gained weight. When I got serious with weightlifting, I undoubtedly got attention from the ladies but not as much as when I was lean. I never got back to having a ripped stomach and it seems like a 6 pack is what all the women are after. Everything else is supplemental. Not knocking whatsoever either. I still lift heavy and I'm pretty broad but like @RangerMIke said, I'll never get back to what I looked like in my early 20s nor am I trying to.

 

[Murk]

You can hold onto muscle mass & retain your gains for several months if you stay on top of your diet.

And if you incoperate other types of fitness activities as I mentioned earlier.

In the last 11 months, I have been to the gym for only roughly 3-4 weeks.

Other than that.. I bought a bench & 2x dumbells weighing 22kg each.

Most of my cardio was cycling.. I also did 50 daily press ups, chin ups & squats with my dumbells.. Lots of dips for my triceps & bicep curls with lighter weights, applying very slow focused reps.

My diet has been tight.. 4/5 meals daily, high protein & low carbs.. And good fats only.

During lockdown & without having access to the gym, I have gotten in fantastic shape.

Gained a considerable amount of muscle without needing any seriously heavy weight at all.

Training from home being boring is no excuse.. Training, exercise should be your lifestyle with or without a gym.

Same man gyms have all been pretty much shut for a year here in London. In the beginning, I was using my dumbells and doing squats etc but the lockdown prolonged, the stress of starting my own business crept in and I have not lifted anything for a few months and I've been eating **** (prob comfort eating).

Anyway, I woke this morning early and worked out for 40 min at home, all from reading the first 2 pages of this thread.

Thanks for the motivation

 

[rjc149]

Just keep in mind you will need to progressively increase the weight load on your muscles to create the tissue damage needed for growth. Performing body-weight calisthenics is great for general practical strength and mental well-being, but will not add size and bulk.

And don’t listen to anyone saying “muscles don’t matter, I know skinny/fat guys who pull supermodels every night” etc. Your physical appearance matters. Your musculature matters. Your height matters. Your face matters. Your haircut matters. Your fashion matters. It matters. Optimize what you can optimize. It makes absolutely zero sense to intentionally handicap yourself by being scrawny or fat. I just don’t get the “it doesn’t matter” mentality, or why that’s good advice. It absolutely matters, especially these days.

 

[soulforge]

Just keep in mind you will need to progressively increase the weight load on your muscles to create the tissue damage needed for growth. Performing body-weight calisthenics is great for general practical strength and mental well-being, but will not add size and bulk.

And don’t listen to anyone saying “muscles don’t matter, I know skinny/fat guys who pull supermodels every night” etc. Your physical appearance matters. Your musculature matters. Your height matters. Your face matters. Your haircut matters. Your fashion matters. It matters. Optimize what you can optimize. It makes absolutely zero sense to intentionally handicap yourself by being scrawny or fat. I just don’t get the “it doesn’t matter” mentality, or why that’s good advice. It absolutely matters, especially these days.

Perfectly stated.. Any type of improvements you make to increase you're SMV has to matter in the dating game.

 

[Focal core]

That is not reality. Its not about what YOU control, it’s about what the market wants. Women prioritize a 6’ man over a <6’ man if everything else is equal. That is a fact.

Most women even lots of 5" wants at least 6".. But mostly settle for 5"10 as the available men at 6" as scarce as 10%, world population.. women will fight over 6" tall men over anything else and will only go to shorter men with financial and status if lack of heights.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Strength muscle > Pretty muscle

A man who can do 20 chin ups will be more aesthetic than a man curling 100 lbs worth of dumbbells

 

[Dash Riprock]

And don’t listen to anyone saying “muscles don’t matter, I know skinny/fat guys who pull supermodels every night” etc. Your physical appearance matters. Your musculature matters.

This x100.

I explained why in a separate post in this thread. There are biological/evolutionary reasons why women are attracted to men like this. I also know tall, rich, good-looking guys who are total dorks with no game and can't get laid to save their life, so that argument doesn’t fly.

Woman are not initially attracted to dad bods, doughy guys, or overly skinny guys. They're just NOT. Now, they may settle for one because that's all they can get or some women do prefer these guys because they don't get hit on by women so the girl doesn’t have to worry about him cheating.

Some of these posts I read sound like excuses; hate working out at home, too many homeless people, gyms are closed or unsafe, whatever.

Look, not everyone has the self-discipline and drive to stay in great shape. I get that. I'm not perfect either. BUT, if you're serious about it, you can make it happen.

Since COVID-19 hit in March of 2020, I've put my gym membership on hold and have been working out in my garage 3-4 x week. I can do about 90% of what I was doing at the $126/month gym I was at. I always lift with the garage door open, sometimes at night when it’s in the 20’s or 30’s outside, and most are night workouts since October. I can see my breath when working out. I run before each workout to warm up and have a space heater in there but it's as Rocky IV as you can get.

So, the big question is: How bad do you want it? I'm willing to put in the hours and hard work to get results.

And if you "have no time?" Ok, let me ask you: How much time do you spend on your lame smartphone, surfing porn, chasing uninterested women, and watching some dumb show on Netflix? Probably a hell of a lot more than working out 3-4x week would take.

 

[SirBigBell]

Well, here's the truth. Anecdotal "evidence" from 2 or 3 anonymous forum members isn't the way to go about forming a conclusion.

I could cite dozens of examples, even from a single night out, of muscleheads who are not getting any action, hence the term gymcels.

Every attraction variable is subjective bro.
For example:
*It helps if a man has money, but not all women are impressed by money.
* it helps if you dress well, but not all women care about a man’s fashion sense.
* it helps if you have a good sense of humour, but not all women are turned on funny men.
* it helps if you are good looking, but some dimes dont value that.
* It helps if you are famous, but some women dont want the headaches that come with fame.

***Similarly a mascular fit body has its benefits in the dating market, but it wont appeal to all women. Some prefer cuddly video-game basement dwellers who piss in coke cans because they cant be bothered pausing a game to walk a few steps to the bathroom.

Everything is subjective, nothing is cast in concrete

 

[EyeBRollin]

This x100.

I explained why in a separate post in this thread. There are biological/evolutionary reasons why women are attracted to men like this. I also know tall, rich, good-looking guys who are total dorks with no game and can't get laid to save their life, so that argument doesn’t fly.

Woman are not initially attracted to dad bods, doughy guys, or overly skinny guys. They're just NOT. Now, they may settle for one because that's all they can get or some women do prefer these guys because they don't get hit on by women so the girl doesn’t have to worry about him cheating.

Some of these posts I read sound like excuses; hate working out at home, too many homeless people, gyms are closed or unsafe, whatever.

Look, not everyone has the self-discipline and drive to stay in great shape. I get that. I'm not perfect either. BUT, if you're serious about it, you can make it happen.

Since COVID-19 hit in March of 2020, I've put my gym membership on hold and have been working out in my garage 3-4 x week. I can do about 90% of what I was doing at the $126/month gym I was at. I always lift with the garage door open, sometimes at night when it’s in the 20’s or 30’s outside, and most are night workouts since October. I can see my breath when working out. I run before each workout to warm up and have a space heater in there but it's as Rocky IV as you can get.

So, the big question is: How bad do you want it? I'm willing to put in the hours and hard work to get results.

And if you "have no time?" Ok, let me ask you: How much time do you spend on your lame smartphone, surfing porn, chasing uninterested women, and watching some dumb show on Netflix? Probably a hell of a lot more than working out 3-4x week would take.

nice bro! I do my condo storage unit. It’s only 6X6, just enough for a power rack.

 

[Jor-El]

I have read the arguments here,for and against being buff,surely,all things being equal,the more cards you have stacked in your favour,it can only help you ? How can being in shape hinder you ? Did any woman ever say "That guys in really good shape...thats not attractive" Come on. Likely guys who are buff and not getting laid,were likely not getting laid before being buff. Looking after yourself as you age,their are no downsides.None

 

[Dash Riprock]

nice bro! I do my condo storage unit. It’s only 6X6, just enough for a power rack.

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Love it, man! There is ALWAYS a way.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

Any of you found that since getting those big ass arms & looking big & muscular you have had more success with woman?

Before I gained my size & muscle I rarely had any luck with females.

I'm only 5ft8 and in my skinny days, height & small build combined, literally only got me the fatties.

However since I get muscular & bigger I do much better with the ladies.. It's actually improved my facial features too, my jaw line looks sharper & I have a thicker neck.


Even my online profile is doing much better.. On average I am getting around 7-10 numbers daily off online slvts.

I get much more respect off other men & I find it easier to be more dominant around men & woman both

None of this would have been possible if I had not embraced the Iron many years ago now.

Hey brother,

Does it help? Of course, it does. Women make up their minds about a man they meet within the first 5 seconds of meeting him. So appearance is important. Muscles are part of that. Just don't overdo it. We've heard of plenty of women getting turned off by huge guys. So it is our humble opinion to do it in moderation. Don't become one of those big dudes with little brains and out of breath when they run to the corner. That's sad. Being fit and healthy is what you truly want which is different from bulking up massively.

In our experience women actually first notice things like: Grooming (hair, beard if any, skin, nails, etc), teeth are a big one which is followed by a smile, shoes are another big one, etc.

Furthermore, appearance alone won't seal the deal and you know that because we know you from interacting with you directly. Personal growth and how you present yourself in those 5 seconds and onwards are key and it's what seals the deal. A man with high standards, emotionally in check, confident, a high-value man with plenty of options to choose from that knows his worth, etc, etc. Those things are equally if not more important but we're sure you know that.

More importantly, fitness should be a passion because YOU value it. You are getting "buffed' because YOU want it for yourself and want to be healthy and feel good about yourself. It doesn't matter if it attracts more women, that shouldn't be in your mind. But you know that.


Our two cents,

Modern Man Advice