Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
"criticizing other mods is unacceptable as it creates a hostile environment"
Codified groupthink...and the essence of blue pill mentality.
Codified groupthink...and the essence of blue pill mentality.
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I'm a big proponent of criticizing other people's beliefs, but I can also see why you wouldn't want moderators doing it."criticizing other mods is unacceptable as it creates a hostile environment"
Codified groupthink...and the essence of blue pill mentality.
Criticizing ideas and beliefs is not something mods generally take action against. The problem arises when such disagreements become personal and a member criticizes the other person directly, rather than just their ideas and beliefs. It makes an initially rational discussion turn into an emotional one.I'm a big proponent of criticizing other people's beliefs, but I can also see why you wouldn't want moderators doing it.
I think mods know this when they sign up; that they're basically relinquishing their guns, so to speak.
But some of my favorite posters only became that after they challenged me directly.Criticizing ideas and beliefs is not something mods generally take action against. The problem arises when such disagreements become personal and a member criticizes the other person directly, rather than just their ideas and beliefs. It makes an initially rational discussion turn into an emotional one.
I can express my opinions and I can disagree with the other mods and members, but I do so respectfully. Mods don't get fired and members don't get banned for just their opinion, poor expression of those opinions do.
Every time someone gets banned we have someone saying it was because of their opinions, that mods disagree with what they think. This is untrue, it's all about how those opinions are expressed towards other members and whether it's the idea or the person being criticized.
I wish that more people shared this mindset. We all (self included) can become full of ourselves and have our own personal set of bias's. How else do we learn, evolve and grow... if not being called out.But some of my favorite posters only became that after they challenged me directly.
They called me out personally, and showed a set of nuts. I respect that more than any generic game advice.
I like to challenge manhood on this forum for no reason. Only the most prominent posters, of course. I don't pick on newbies.I wish that more people shared this mindset. We all (self included) can become full of ourselves and have our own personal set of bias's. How else do we learn, evolve and grow... if not being called out.
It's no secret that I do a bit of calling out on this forum. When doing so, I cite previous examples of behavior. If someone simply shoots off simpleton phrases toward someone like "you're an idiot" etc... they've failed to prove their case and become their own worst liability.
No one ever got banned for challenging anyone directly. That's called discussion.But some of my favorite posters only became that after they challenged me directly.
They called me out personally, and showed a set of nuts. I respect that more than any generic game advice.
Right. So I can hardly figure what spaz did, as he was never one for base insults.No one ever got banned for challenging anyone directly. That's called discussion.
I'd beg to differ on this one. Usually, I'd cite reasons to substantiate my claim. However... because he's banned, this means that he could read this posting, but be unable to respond and defend himself. Therefor, I'll just say that I won't miss him.Right. So I can hardly figure what spaz did, as he was never one for base insults.
Well, I just mentioned how I hit him below the belt, probably worse than you could.I'd beg to differ on this one. Usually, I'd cite reasons to substantiate my claim. However... because he's banned, this means that he could read this posting, but be unable to respond and defend himself. Therefor, I'll just say that I won't miss him.
His ban is not permanent.I didn't realized Spaz got banned. Is it permanent? I think the timing is kind of odd. But now out of nowhere he's banned.
Is this copy and pasted from the HR department?You can challenge someone and call out their ideas or behaviour without disparaging and personally attacking them.
You can also exercise discipline when dealing with hostility and personal attacks are thrown your way by de-escalation. A skill that many here seem to either lack or simply appear uninterested in learning.
We have choices:
a) We can artfully criticize ideas. This promotes constructive discourse.
b) We can also choose to instead attack character. This causes defensiveness and high school drama ensues.
One choice requires maturity, the other a fragile ego. One choice requires poise, the other a lack of tact and self-restraint.
Often times, we react emotionally to what we read on here. As a result, we respond emotionally. Our responses conflate ideas with character, and our criticisms of ideas include well-dressed personal attacks of character.
A lot of times there is no ill-intention deep down in us, and it's merely an inability to articulate are own ideas and perhaps we never learned how to communicate effectively...
Luckily, this is an internet forum, not a high school...
There is a buffer between what we read and how we choose to respond. Our first gut response likely won't be our most effective one.
In-person we lack the buffer and discretion to craft an eloquent response. Here, we have more space to moderate our reactions and subsequent behaviours and, therefore, less excuses when we fail to do so.
If we repeatedly demonstrate we are unable or unwilling to moderate our own behaviours on this forum, the moderators will have to step in and do the moderating on our behalf.
Right. So I can hardly figure what spaz did, as he was never one for base insults.
Spaz has been banned before. He has also been warned at least a half dozen times since then.@TheProspect While I have your ear, why did spaz get banned?
Hope that wasn't unclear.* If you insult, harass, or disrespect any member of this forum, you will be banned from the forum.
* Please do not reply to insulting, harassing, or disrespectful posts from another member -- this simply escalates the problem. Contact a moderator who will review the offending message and take the appropriate action.
Really?Spaz has been banned before. He has also been warned at least a half dozen times since then.
Spaz knows the rules. Spaz also knows the intention of many of his posts are to get a rise out of people.
He is usually very subtle with his attacks, but they are attacks nonetheless.
Being clever with your bullying doesn’t make you fly under the mod’s radar.
Following around other members in multiple threads in order to bait them into reactive bickering is harassment, not to mention it derails the thread.
Spaz has been a provocateur, albeit a sly one.
However, being slick doesn't make you above the rules.
Per the forum rules:
Hope that wasn't unclear.
I'm guessing this means someone complained about him. I can't believe a user would be banned for saying cleverly harassing things if no one ever responded to him in kind. And if it's true that someone complained (note: wasn't me), then as Mods you have to listen and execute the rules, so I get that.Spaz has been banned before. He has also been warned at least a half dozen times since then.
Spaz knows the rules. Spaz also knows the intention of many of his posts are to get a rise out of people.
He is usually very subtle with his attacks, but they are attacks nonetheless.
Being clever with your bullying doesn’t make you fly under the mod’s radar.
Following around other members in multiple threads in order to bait them into reactive bickering is harassment, not to mention it derails the thread.
Spaz has been a provocateur, albeit a sly one.
However, being slick doesn't make you above the rules.