She does bite back!

[HankHill]

You sound like a boss, not a leader. I'm sure it will work temporarily, but most good employees dont stick by their bosses for very long. Anyone can bark out orders and make demands. That is the easiest method of getting people to do things for you. And while necessary at times, it is often not sustainable.

The best method which also yields the best results is to let the women make their own decisions.

Try not asking for anything for a couple weeks and see how much she voluntarily does for you. See what she will do without the worry of upsetting you, without your expectations of her servitude. Your words and actions should plant seeds, which she will water and grow herself. Dont be the guy that plants the seeds and tells her to take care of it.

And when she finally does things for you voluntarily, you praise the h3ll out of her.

If she doesnt do things naturally, without expectations, then she is not a giver or does not respect your leadership. Neither of which are good.

Dude, no. This is how my LTRs (10+yr) faded into nothing, made women feel too comfortable, they didn't have a prize to chase anymore. Women have to be chasing for your attention, approval etc. If you take that off the table you lose.

 

[Roober]

Dude, no. This is how my LTRs (10+yr) faded into nothing, made women feel too comfortable, they didn't have a prize to chase anymore. Women have to be chasing for your attention, approval etc. If you take that off the table you lose.

As I stated, your acting like a boss, not a leader. Do you honestly believe your failures were due to the option of free choice? Your previous women got comfortable because you were/are NOT a prize worth fighting for. A woman will always fight and need attention from a man they feel is worth it. The need to define your expectations and manipulate her emotions to ensure that her actions comply with them is derived from insecurity. I will provide a very basic example for context. A woman wants to wear a shirt that makes her look like a *****.

Are you the man that...

1. Wait till she puts it on and throws a fit telling her the clothing is not acceptable?

Or

2. The guy where she wouldnt even consider certain types of clothing because of the standards you exhibit for yourself?

You see, these are both forms of manipulation. However, in #2, she still has the choice. But she is consciously choosing to live by your standards. You want her to make the right choices, but also be forgiving of mistakes she may make (nobody is perfect!). By taking away her freedom of choice, due to the unnecessary emotional roller coaster you may take a ride on, the end result is resentment and anger.

I would suggest some leadership training, which could dramatically improve your mindset. If you have taken some already, it didnt work.

Remember that you don't have answers for a problem, so you should examine all possible solutions. You wont catch me asking for advice on how to lead women or people.

 

[logicallefty]

Dude, no. This is how my LTRs (10+yr) faded into nothing, made women feel too comfortable, they didn't have a prize to chase anymore. Women have to be chasing for your attention, approval etc. If you take that off the table you lose.

Same here. I lost some potentially decent women in my younger years because I fell for the single #1 oldest propaganda advise for men ever: Just Be Yourself. Here is the most comical thing about it of all. Suppose I hadn’t ever red pilled, and I fell for that trick another hundred times in my life. Even after that there would still be people who would tell me to keep doing it.

 

[guru1000]

Your previous women got comfortable because you were/are NOT a prize worth fighting for.

You can actually be the PRIZE (in comparison) but the woman not perceive so by your loss of frame. Happens all the time ... even to the best.

Business <> Emotional Attraction
Business <> Relationship

Successful leadership in business <> Successful leadership with a woman

Differing leadership. One leads logically, the other does not.

Look at most heavy hitting business owners and leaders, and you will see many failed personal relationships. Failed relationships usually is due to a loss of attraction. Attraction, unlike business, does not work intuitively.

 

[lamath]

Not going to lie Hank, it sounds like you were being a total chick about this. She made you mad, you then walked away from the situation hoping she'd check in on you, then you got more mad when it didnt happen. This is what women do. As a man, you either address the situation or you tell her to give you some time to get over it.

Seems like acting like a chicks and communicating thru actions/inactions is often best.

 

[Roober]

You can actually be the PRIZE (in comparison) but the woman not perceive so by your loss of frame. Happens all the time ... even to the best.

Business <> Emotional Attraction
Business <> Relationship

Successful leadership in business <> Successful leadership with a woman

Differing leadership. One leads logically, the other does not.

Look at most heavy hitting business owners and leaders, and you will see many failed personal relationships. Failed relationships usually is due to a loss of attraction. Attraction, unlike business, does not work intuitively.

But are you really a prize if you lost your frame?

There may be momentary lapses in frame which LTRs can certainly produce, but overall, losing frame is essentially exposing what is underneath the mask.

Good businessman and good partners in relationships are by no means synonymous. Often times, the qualities that make the best businessman are contrary to building relationships with a partner.

Leadership is leadership, regardless of the circumstances. It is better to motivate people to do things for you than order them to do it themselves. There is certainly a time and place for doling out orders, and I figure that's implied.

 

[guru1000]

But are you really a prize if you lost your frame?

Depends on your definition of "prize."

I define prize as: Looks/Money/Status/Intangibles > Than what she can normally attract

Here one can be a prize without frame. Happens ALL the time.

Your definition just means frame.

Good businessman and good partners in relationships are by no means synonymous. Often times, the qualities that make the best businessman are contrary to building relationships with a partner.

Leadership is leadership, regardless of the circumstances. It is better to motivate people to do things for you than order them to do it themselves. There is certainly a time and place for doling out orders, and I figure that's implied.There is certainly a time and place for doling out orders, and I figure that's implied.

He did motivate. No one handcuffed her, enslaved, and brought her over on a bus. She came by her own accord. He didn't bark orders. He was angry incited by a deeper awareness, that is a noticeable (enough) change in her normal behavior. Perfectly fine as I see it.

 

[HankHill]

Are you the man that...

1. Wait till she puts it on and throws a fit telling her the clothing is not acceptable?

Or

2. The guy where she wouldnt even consider certain types of clothing because of the standards you exhibit for yourself?

Remember that you don't have answers for a problem, so you should examine all possible solutions. You wont catch me asking for advice on how to lead women or people.

So what if she wears fishnets and you're dressed in tux to go to your high end business party? You say nothing?

It has nothing to do with the type of man you are and everything to do with the type of woman she is. You take home a girl who wears fishnets to the parties regardless of what you wear she'll wear what she thinks is appropriate. You, as a man, will have to correct that behavior. There may be many things she does without even thinking or as sh*t tests that you'll have to tell her what works for you or not. This is how the Alpha wolf in a pack corrects behavior of those who get out of line every now and again. If you don't correct that behavior, if you don't stand up to her for what you believe in she will have no respect for you. This actually applies to the leadership in business too but in a different paradigm. As an aside I've been in management for the past 15 yrs...I have managers below me. Some I go to lunch with and are like friends, others who I strictly have a superior/subordinate relationship with. You deal with all kinds of people and you have to adapt your leadership to the people you're leading. Ultimately they have to follow your style or they're out.

As for the prize thing...she has to believe: you're higher SMV than her, you have options, you give her what she needs. Her seeking your approval and her knowing that you're not just a floater and will leave if she doesn't comply is what keeps you valuable (attractive) in her eyes. On the surface she may be pissed off but her inner female is screaming for her to make you happy and get your approval. That inner female desires you. If that stops it's time to eject and find another woman.

 

[Atom Smasher]

This girl sounds like a gem to me.

I know it is frustrating when a woman detaches and hopes that the problem will magically go away by your forgetting about it. That does piss me off.

I find that submissive women aren’t always that aware of how to proactively handle conflict.

 

[allancc3]

Reading between the lines, this guy has found and kept a (very) low status/value woman who will have him.

1. she's got a lot of money. If she were rich AND good looking, she'd literally have more dating options than alleged holocaust victims (which is an infinite number). So you can rule out her being good looking, which is the sole source of women's value.

2. she's already talking retirement. Would a hot, 20 something woman be talking retirement already? This means she is old.

3. she's putting up with his sh1t. She is heavily invested. This means she has no other options. There is a 100% chance she is below average looking.

This guy is bragging about being alpha but in reality he himself is heavily invested in a super low value chick. Considering he throws temper tantrums over trivialities and considering how heavily invested he is in an old, not so good looking woman, he's the exact opposite of alpha.

Add to all that, this woman is very low self esteem. Who would even consider spending more than a polite moment with such a chick, much less investing a lifetime with her?!?

As for the prize thing...she has to believe: you're higher SMV than her, you have options, you give her what she needs. Her seeking your approval and her knowing that you're not just a floater and will leave if she doesn't comply is what keeps you valuable (attractive) in her eyes. On the surface she may be pissed off but her inner female is screaming for her to make you happy and get your approval. That inner female desires you. If that stops it's time to eject and find another woman.

I doubt that's difficult in this situation. She has to be very close to rock bottom in female smv for her to even entertain the possibility of tolerating this bullsh1t. Even an average smv woman in the states BELIEVES she has six Gorillion options in men, waiting at her beck and call.

If she DOESN'T believe this, she has got to be bottom tier. The problem now is, OP has some sort of emotional investment in showing this forum how "alpha" he is. This means he will continue to chase the very bottom tier of women if this doesn't work out. OP's true goal is to mind fvck himself and everyone on the forum into believing he is an alpha male when in reality he chases the lowest tier girls which actually makes him a beta male.

 

[guru1000]

Reading between the lines, this guy has found and kept a (very) low status/value woman who will have him.

1. she's got a lot of money. If she were rich AND good looking, she'd literally have more dating options than alleged holocaust victims (which is an infinite number). So you can rule out her being good looking, which is the sole source of women's value.

2. she's already talking retirement. Would a hot, 20 something woman be talking retirement already? This means she is old.

3. she's putting up with his sh1t. She is heavily invested. This means she has no other options. There is a 100% chance she is below average looking.

This guy is bragging about being alpha but in reality he himself is heavily invested in a super low value chick. Considering he throws temper tantrums over trivialities and considering how heavily invested he is in an old, not so good looking woman, he's the exact opposite of alpha.

Add to all that, this woman is very low self esteem. Who would even consider spending more than a polite moment with such a chick, much less investing a lifetime with her?!?

Naughty Ninja or is this the guy who ducked my Tinder Challenge?

That's the great thing about frame; that is, it operates outside of SMV. You see hot chicks worshipping dirt bags all the time. Nothing do with her SMV at all, and everything to do with his frame.

Are you game for another Tinder challenge, or are you going to duck and weave me again.

 

[Roober]

So what if she wears fishnets and you're dressed in tux to go to your high end business party? You say nothing?

It has nothing to do with the type of man you are and everything to do with the type of woman she is. You take home a girl who wears fishnets to the parties regardless of what you wear she'll wear what she thinks is appropriate. You, as a man, will have to correct that behavior. There may be many things she does without even thinking or as sh*t tests that you'll have to tell her what works for you or not. This is how the Alpha wolf in a pack corrects behavior of those who get out of line every now and again. If you don't correct that behavior, if you don't stand up to her for what you believe in she will have no respect for you. This actually applies to the leadership in business too but in a different paradigm. As an aside I've been in management for the past 15 yrs...I have managers below me. Some I go to lunch with and are like friends, others who I strictly have a superior/subordinate relationship with. You deal with all kinds of people and you have to adapt your leadership to the people you're leading. Ultimately they have to follow your style or they're out.

As for the prize thing...she has to believe: you're higher SMV than her, you have options, you give her what she needs. Her seeking your approval and her knowing that you're not just a floater and will leave if she doesn't comply is what keeps you valuable (attractive) in her eyes. On the surface she may be pissed off but her inner female is screaming for her to make you happy and get your approval. That inner female desires you. If that stops it's time to eject and find another woman.

Your missing the point. My woman would never show up in fishnets, yours would.

 

[HankHill]

LOL Here we go again, the juvenile my d*ck's bigger than your's posters are trickling in now after the party's over haha

If you're going to post sh*t like that also post pics of these hot 20yo submissive women you're boning...with proof. Otherwise it's just haters who gonna hate.

 

[HankHill]

Naughty Ninja or is this the guy who ducked my Tinder Challenge?

That's the great thing about frame; that is, it operates outside of SMV. You see hot chicks worshipping dirt bags all the time. Nothing do with her SMV at all, and everything to do with his frame.

Are you game for another Tinder challenge, or are you going to duck and weave me again.

His writing style gives it away!

 

[HankHill]

Your missing the point. My woman would never show up in fishnets, yours would.

That doesn't even make any sense. You meet some woman, you invite her to a party, how can you guarantee she won't wear what's inappropriate to you? You date mind readers? The guy at work is having a bad day, he doesn't finish his assignment on time how can you guarantee that won't happen just because you're his 'leader'? makes zero sense.

 

[allancc3]

Well I agree, there are VERY few women that would put up with this, but if it is what you want and expect, then you should not settle... But if you are like this, then expect to be alone most of your life. There is NOTHING wrong with not having a chick in your life, in fact it is MUCH better to be alone than to live with a woman that makes you miserable.

BINGO! And it's because her SMV is as low as it could be.

 

[Spaz]

Seems like I missed this party.

It seems to me there's deeper issues at play here or that 1 off forgetfulness would have been overlooked.

As for the ladies who posted in this thread - it's all useless advice that's only applicable to men wanting to live in a female narrated world and at the end of it they're gonna end up as an Incel or just a pathetic loser.

 

[logicallefty]

@Spaz welcome back

 

[backseatjuan]

@Spaz welcome back, @Ranger left.

It seems to me there's deeper issues at play here

Mild form of early narcissism & gaslighting.

 

[sazc]

@Amante Silvestre hits the nail on the head with what he posted.

The blow job idea is fun, and funny, but I don't think it would have really solved @HankHill inner struggle/conflict. He would have still felt 'some type of way' about her not noticing that he was actually upset, even tho he told her it was fine she forgot and he wasn't upset.

Hanks valid in his feelings/conflict/struggle but he's got to figure out why this situation/struggle occured in the first place, and how to lead in order to make sure it doesn't occur again.