"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I didn't disclose having a child on the first date, but seems like I should say something now. Thoughts?

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I think linearly, so here it goes. I'm 36 years old, divorced with a two year old.

1. Went out with a 26 year old blonde, incredible tits a couple weeks ago, two dates total, no sex. Went to set up third date, which she initially agreed. Day before date sends a text saying that she was looking for something serious and did not want to pursue the relationship farther because I have a child (at least she was direct and honest).

2. Then, meet an Asian girl, 33 years old, single, no children, finishing up her law degree. Has high interest in me. Go out grab coffee and walk around town. Date ends with me kissing her in front of her high rise apartment. She playfully grabs my ass and d*ck, but that's as far as she'd let escalate.

3. I was a little snake bit from how the blonde had ended it bc of me having a child. And so although we hung out for several hours yesterday and texted before, I never disclosed that I had a child. She never asked. Did tell her I was divorced. At this point, and as much as we've talked, it seems like I should have probably brought it up.

4. When, how should I bring this up? Don't want to look like I am hiding something as she seems like she could potentially be a good LTR option. Also, don't want to get dropped for having a child...
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I wouldn't mention anything unless the child lives with you on a regular basis

Eventually it will come up but hopefully she will be too far into her feelings to care

Same goes for divorce, you wanna keep things light and in the moment, heavy life-**** should be avoided imo
 

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I’m surprised these women haven’t asked you about kids and if you’ve been married within the first 10 mins of talking to you. They usually go down the list and ask your job, if you have kids, have you ever been married and “what do you do for fun”.lol
 

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I’m surprised these women haven’t asked you about kids and if you’ve been married within the first 10 mins of talking to you. They usually go down the list and ask your job, if you have kids, have you ever been married and “what do you do for fun”.lol
People are dating initially for fun, not to get married. So why does kids or marriage status even matter for 3-6 month?
 

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People are dating initially for fun, not to get married. So why does kids or marriage status even matter for 3-6 month?
You’d have to ask women why that’s so important cause they’re the ones asking.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Lie to them. The singles have a points rating system that deducts for marriages and kids.
I don’t have to lie as I’ve never been married and don’t have kids. That’s usually followed with a look of confusion and then they ask why. I tell them because I won’t marry just anyone and I know how to use a condom lol
 

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I don’t have to lie as I’ve never been married and don’t have kids. That’s usually followed with a look of confusion and then they ask why. I tell them because I won’t marry just anyone and I know how to use a condom lol
Thats a good lie for the men whove been married and have a kid or two. You see if the females are dating for fun and hookups it really doesnt matter.
 

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Not sure about lying, I mean, MAYBE it could be viewed as mysterious. I would rather bat off the question with a joke....

Do you have any kids? Yeah twelve!
Have you been married? What happens in Vegas... ;-)

And then I'd quickly change the subject. Those are lame examples but you get the idea
 

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Not sure about lying, I mean, MAYBE it could be viewed as mysterious. I would rather bat off the question with a joke....

Do you have any kids? Yeah twelve!
Have you been married? What happens in Vegas... ;-)

And then I'd quickly change the subject. Those are lame examples but you get the idea
If your gonna bone her 3-6 times and bounce does it really matter?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Possibly a long term with this one. I'm generally pretty straight forward guy. I have a damn car seat in my car that's a pain in the ass to get out.

I generally try to play things straight up.
 

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Possibly a long term with this one. I'm generally pretty straight forward guy. I have a damn car seat in my car that's a pain in the ass to get out.

I generally try to play things straight up.
It hurts us. They are VERY manipulative. You wouldnt go revealing information to other males who you discover to be self serving and manipulative.
 

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yeah, it just seems inevitable that this will come out. Id have to have an excuse for not disclosing it. And not looking like a deceiver/liar.
 

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yeah, it just seems inevitable that this will come out. Id have to have an excuse for not disclosing it. And not looking like a deceiver/liar.
If your doing FWB for a few months doesnt have to come out. After 3-6 months if you wanted to let her push further and somehow it was revealed just say she never asked. And you dont go spreading your personal business to just anyone.
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I think linearly, so here it goes. I'm 36 years old, divorced with a two year old.

1. Went out with a 26 year old blonde, incredible tits a couple weeks ago, two dates total, no sex. Went to set up third date, which she initially agreed. Day before date sends a text saying that she was looking for something serious and did not want to pursue the relationship farther because I have a child (at least she was direct and honest).

2. Then, meet an Asian girl, 33 years old, single, no children, finishing up her law degree. Has high interest in me. Go out grab coffee and walk around town. Date ends with me kissing her in front of her high rise apartment. She playfully grabs my ass and d*ck, but that's as far as she'd let escalate.

3. I was a little snake bit from how the blonde had ended it bc of me having a child. And so although we hung out for several hours yesterday and texted before, I never disclosed that I had a child. She never asked. Did tell her I was divorced. At this point, and as much as we've talked, it seems like I should have probably brought it up.

4. When, how should I bring this up? Don't want to look like I am hiding something as she seems like she could potentially be a good LTR option. Also, don't want to get dropped for having a child...
Tell her, after sex.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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