"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Hot Maid Alert- Please Advise!

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What's up guys! I am kind of unsure how to proceed with this girl so I figured I would ask in here. Here's what happened:

Two months ago I decided to try out amazon cleaning services. Hot Latina showed up and cleaned my apartment for hours while I was there. I attempted to have some conversations but she didn't speak English much at all, so aside a couple smiles and looks I was mostly on my computer doing work... there was some tension though I wasn't able to escalate...

I know I know, you experienced don Juans are probably reading my last paragraph and wondering what's wrong with me... I should have gone for it then but unfortunately I didn't. We never exchanged any messages although I do still have her number because she texted me when she arrived to my building.

I honestly have no idea how to open the conversation. Any suggestions for a good text opener??? Might as well give it a try!

Thanks so much!
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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My policy; never fvck around with the hired help.

I don't even fvck with women from the office.

Seen enough, known enough to know it's bad for a man.
 

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Maybe start with chattain’t to and dating civilian women before you try gaming a non English speaking cleaner who is only in your house to clean. That’s a big task and I wouldn’t even bother unless she was a 9.
 

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No conversation needed...grab her hand and lead her to your bedroom. She will either follow or won't...everyone understands the language of sex. No translation needed.
 

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No conversation needed...grab her hand and lead her to your bedroom. She will either follow or won't...everyone understands the language of sex. No translation needed.
dude, that has rape charge written all over it. but the optics of the scenario you present are amusing to envision.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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What's up guys! I am kind of unsure how to proceed with this girl so I figured I would ask in here. Here's what happened:

Two months ago I decided to try out amazon cleaning services. Hot Latina showed up and cleaned my apartment for hours while I was there. I attempted to have some conversations but she didn't speak English much at all, so aside a couple smiles and looks I was mostly on my computer doing work... there was some tension though I wasn't able to escalate...

I know I know, you experienced don Juans are probably reading my last paragraph and wondering what's wrong with me... I should have gone for it then but unfortunately I didn't. We never exchanged any messages although I do still have her number because she texted me when she arrived to my building.

I honestly have no idea how to open the conversation. Any suggestions for a good text opener??? Might as well give it a try!

Thanks so much!
seriously? I don't know, much danger here in this scenario. I mean unless she's literally naked on your bed, signed a notarized form and is literally begging you for it, no way you should go there. I know, probably a lot of porn movies started that way but that's where you should leave it, in the porn movies.
 

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dude, that has rape charge written all over it. but the optics of the scenario you present are amusing to envision.
Last time I checked you actually had to rape someone to be charged with rape. Being bold does not equate to rape.

Obviously if she isnt down for it you don't force it. Guys need to stop being scared of their own shadows.
 

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Last time I checked you actually had to rape someone to be charged with rape. Being bold does not equate to rape.

Obviously if she isnt down for it you don't force it. Guys need to stop being scared of their own shadows.

The moment you touch her she can have you charged with assault
 

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OP, clean your own place and go out and met women. Sitting there fantasizing about a cleaning lady is going to get you in serious trouble
 

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The moment you touch her she can have you charged with assault
If she can prove that you touched her in a way that qualifies as assault and can't be easily turned into he said she said or played off by your lawyer as a mistake/friendly/benign/etc. Misunderstanding. Going to jail for a crime isn't that easy if she tries and she won't want to go through all of that because a guy hits on her.


Though I agree with you that it's way too risky and never going to work unless OP looks like Johnny bravo or the old spice guy, (or she's drunk/particularly easy or something)
 
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Two months ago I decided to try out amazon cleaning services. Hot Latina showed up and cleaned my apartment for hours while I was there. I attempted to have some conversations but she didn't speak English much at all, so aside a couple smiles and looks I was mostly on my computer doing work... there was some tension though I wasn't able to escalate...
So... You found a hot young latina maid who barely speaks english?

A young woman who wants to work as a cleaning lady

A young adult who is in america and has a job but speaks little English

Dear penthouse forum...

I honestly have no idea how to open the conversation. Any suggestions for a good text opener??? Might as well give it a try!
Brush up on as much spanish as possible to make conversing easier and ask her where she's from, and for some spanish food recommendations as a starter then work your way from there.
 

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What's up guys! I am kind of unsure how to proceed with this girl so I figured I would ask in here. Here's what happened:

Two months ago I decided to try out amazon cleaning services. Hot Latina showed up and cleaned my apartment for hours while I was there. I attempted to have some conversations but she didn't speak English much at all, so aside a couple smiles and looks I was mostly on my computer doing work... there was some tension though I wasn't able to escalate...

I know I know, you experienced don Juans are probably reading my last paragraph and wondering what's wrong with me... I should have gone for it then but unfortunately I didn't. We never exchanged any messages although I do still have her number because she texted me when she arrived to my building.

I honestly have no idea how to open the conversation. Any suggestions for a good text opener??? Might as well give it a try!

Thanks so much!
open up with something that you can spot on her, for example if she did her hair a certain way, Say something like "Looks very nice" point to her hair and see if she smiles or giggles about it. Feel it out from there. The point is to see how she reacts towards you.
 

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Start fapping to porn while she's cleaning.

if she runs away, order another one.

Keep going until you find one that will help.
 

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Last time I checked you actually had to rape someone to be charged with rape. Being bold does not equate to rape.

Obviously if she isnt down for it you don't force it. Guys need to stop being scared of their own shadows.
I disagree with you. Would you treat a family member this way? She's there to earn a living.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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marmel75

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I disagree with you. Would you treat a family member this way? She's there to earn a living.
OP isn't concerned with that. And she isn't a family member. Maybe she wants some d!ck too. Who knows. Some women fantasize about this type of situation...never know until he tries it.
 

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Wow...

So many women in the planet, and you zoom in on the one hire to clean your place. Then you are asking advice on what to text her?
AFC to a new degree. Unless this is a person proving this forum on what kind of stuff goes in here. Anyway, she's there for work, so drop it.
Unless she initiated any sort of interest where sure, ask for a date. Other then that, let it go. IMO you should get out more.
 

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OP isn't concerned with that. And she isn't a family member. Maybe she wants some d!ck too. Who knows. Some women fantasize about this type of situation...never know until he tries it.
And if she isnt down to bang, hire another one next week. Wash, rinse, repeat. LOL
 

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OP isn't concerned with that. And she isn't a family member. Maybe she wants some d!ck too. Who knows. Some women fantasize about this type of situation...never know until he tries it.
Bummer, you are scary. Would you treat a family member this way? Is this masculine to you? The girl is there to work, drop it -
 

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Bummer, you are scary. Would you treat a family member this way? Is this masculine to you? The girl is there to work, drop it -
Right...I'm sure you have the same rules in place for bartenders, strippers, etc right?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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