"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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OLD - Dates - and Challenge

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Here's the thing, when i set up my dates, i usually disappear till the day of the date, but OLD is different since they've never seen you face to face i don't think challenge would work.
Should i keep texting them till the first meet up? Or is the procedure the same (disappear) ?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Low contact till the date , in my experience vanishing till the date just ends up in her vanishing forever ...

Only when they've seen you in face and then you start withdrawing will she wonder about the cool guy she met
 

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Here's the thing, when i set up my dates, i usually disappear till the day of the date, but OLD is different since they've never seen you face to face i don't think challenge would work.
Should i keep texting them till the first meet up? Or is the procedure the same (disappear) ?
I found maintaining contact with a text or two a day gets you many more dates than disappearing.
 

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I found maintaining contact with a text or two a day gets you many more dates than disappearing.
Yeah, that's what i thought. Doesn't make much sense to disappear from someone you've never even met.
 

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There's multiple ways to play it, the girl I met OLD that I banged 2 Wednesday's ago, I had escalated through text and phone calls/voicenotes so much that sex was a certainty. We had even planned whose house we would go back to after the date. This made the date easy, kissing was easy, she was already turned on, going back and banging was effortless.

On the other hand, a less forward (maybe see higher quality) girl you will be better off with a couple texts and a 5 minute call day before the date.

It all depends on the girl and what you want out of it, I am not seeking an LTR from OLD so I escalate heavily pre date (I want an easy life and guaranteed bang for my efforts).
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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There's multiple ways to play it, the girl I met OLD that I banged 2 Wednesday's ago, I had escalated through text and phone calls/voicenotes so much that sex was a certainty. We had even planned whose house we would go back to after the date. This made the date easy, kissing was easy, she was already turned on, going back and banging was effortless.

On the other hand, a less forward (maybe see higher quality) girl you will be better off with a couple texts and a 5 minute call day before the date.

It all depends on the girl and what you want out of it, I am not seeking an LTR from OLD so I escalate heavily pre date (I want an easy life and guaranteed bang for my efforts).
I am, so i try to play it more cool to avoid scaring away the more conservative girls.
 

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I am, so i try to play it more cool to avoid scaring away the more conservative girls.
becareful man .....OLD women, have serious issues imho, theyll come across as great company on the first 3 dates youll think youve struck gold, She will be all over you like "YOU ARE THE ONE"...they are neurotic messes hiding behind a false face

treat every date as fun and that your never going to see them again and youll be good to go
 

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becareful man .....OLD women, have serious issues imho, theyll come across as great company on the first 3 dates youll think youve struck gold, She will be all over you like "YOU ARE THE ONE"...they are neurotic messes hiding behind a false face

treat every date as fun and that your never going to see them again and youll be good to go
I'm good, i do the majority of the dumping.
 

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Maintaining communication through text is probably the best option when dealing with most new potential plates. As long as you maintain a fun/laid back/upbeat demeanor and dont act clingy or insecure, all should be fine.

I have had much worse results when I set the date and then ignore them. They arent stupid and in the day and age that everyone looks at their phone every 10 minutes, it can give a lot of chicks a bad taste if you ghost until the date.

A couple texts here and there to build a little rapport and momentum each day is ideal. I like to drop a sketchy message or two that can easily be turned into something sexual just to see if they bite. If they do great, if not, I keep it just light and fun.
 
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