lizardking82
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I am really interested in what you have to say about this one.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Meeting her friends before having sex with her? Is it OK?
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
lizardking82
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I would care, but I want to know what is the best thing to do in all situations in GENERAL? Meaning, let's say I've been dating for 3-4 weeks, we've kissed and had some sexual things take place (touching, dirty talking).
Who Dares Win
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Red flag she is basically taking you to her herd to get a review of you and decide if you're worth or not.
Either that or she wants to show her friends her orbiter to brag about it and push her status.
Most of the times its a sign of low interest when it happens before sealing the deal while its a sign of high interest right after.
Being there and know what Im talking about.
I can be wrong of course but a date in day time in a neutral place like a cafeteria with her friends is a trap.
It may be a little bit better if its a night club at night where if she gets you approved maybe you have a chance to score.
Anyway ask yourself is she really found you hot would she be organizing group meetings with her friends or rendev vouzs at her place alone?
Btw in 2017 dating for 4 weeks and nothing sexual happening is a red flag by itself.
Either that or she wants to show her friends her orbiter to brag about it and push her status.
Most of the times its a sign of low interest when it happens before sealing the deal while its a sign of high interest right after.
Being there and know what Im talking about.
I can be wrong of course but a date in day time in a neutral place like a cafeteria with her friends is a trap.
It may be a little bit better if its a night club at night where if she gets you approved maybe you have a chance to score.
Anyway ask yourself is she really found you hot would she be organizing group meetings with her friends or rendev vouzs at her place alone?
Btw in 2017 dating for 4 weeks and nothing sexual happening is a red flag by itself.
sazc
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if you dont meet her friends she will be put off by it and you may not get any. if you do meet her friends she might appreciate it and you might get some. if you meet her friends and she still stonewalls you, time to move on
Is it ok?
4 weeks of "dating" and you're already p*ssy whipped and approval seeking?
Remember you should always care LESS about the relationship than the woman does. Wait until she gets clingy before you get so invested in outcomes.
4 weeks of "dating" and you're already p*ssy whipped and approval seeking?
Remember you should always care LESS about the relationship than the woman does. Wait until she gets clingy before you get so invested in outcomes.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
TheProspect
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This didn't cross my mind, a lot of truth to it now that I think about it though. In my experience, I've never gone past a second date without something sexual happening.
I think if a girl really was obsessed with OP she would have fvcked him already, but maybe she is a more conservative girl and feels more comfortable with the relationship if her friends (or family) know and approve of who she's dating.
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I wish it was true but in my opinion there are no such things, if a girl is attracted from you she will fight her friends and family over you and the more they tell her that you're an assh0le the more she will protect you and get close to you.
Plenty of evidence in everyday life and news.
No sex + public places instead of intimate ones + her friends involved instead of intimacy = low interest.
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100% agree, haven't met one of those girls either. Not to say they don't exist, but any girl that I know of that comes remotely close was in a relationship and taken by 18.
devilkingx2
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sounds like you're the provider/boyfriend, hence why she wants you to meet her friends before having sex with her. you may have to friendzone her and start banging her friends (would be hilarious if you told her friends that you two were just friends before she got a chance to introduce you as anything else then starting flirting with them)
devilkingx2
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this is the other thing i'd support doing OP
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
hockeyfreak79
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Not necessarily true but I suppose. I've had similar but it was for a 2nd date. It was a family barbecue for her son joining the Marines! I politely declined and made alternate plans with her. No big deal.
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Maybe OP should politely decline and say something about wanting to meet her circle, but feeling like he should know her on a deeper level before they take that step? And then escalate first chance he gets. Its a good hook and, I agree, dating too long w/o sex
lizardking82
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She has not actually proposed to meet her friends. She's got 3 girl best friends and hangs around all the time with them. I was just askin' in general cause I wanna have the perspectives for other cases as well. If things don't move forward into the sex direction quickly (she's a virgin or so she says, at least), meeting her friends will be off the table anyways cause I don't intend to wait around much longer unless I see some advancement on the sex "front" LOL
wifehunter
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Drop everything, and read the DJ bible now!!!
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
EVONIK
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Dating rules are a little bit different in Albania, a mix of traditional and modern
can be cultural, hence you need to adapt and see hwat works for you and your country, if she is virgin and her parents would be pretty angry if she lost it to a random dude, then yes she would hold on that for longer, and since we also lack the age bracket on this whole thing. though he should at least get something from it, her mouth should be working on it
lizardking82
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No specific **** is goin' on in Albania LOL, but the dating situation is not completely the same as in the Western World in general. Girls are more conservative although in the recent years a lot more ****ing is going on and the value of ***** has gone down quite a lot. Still, you get faced here with some situations that you probably would not in USA or in Europe.
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Theprospect and WhodaresWin with Deesade are right.
Follow Theprospect... go in, act natural, see how she introduce you.
WhodaresWin does have a to point.... conservative or not.... a girl will wait to officialize your status with her (boyfriend, ****friend) before showing you around.
Deesade has a pretty good western point like WhodaresWin... getting in her pants first and meeting the friends = boyfriend/****friend status that she is glad to show off..... Meeting friends before that = might become friendzoned or boyfriend. However, in the case, you need to scores points that night and still be natural but ascertize of your position (than when the nights dies, at least get kissed or laid)
Myself was in a LTR with a conservative girl from a conservative country... took a while before I took her V-card (she said she was V) in our LTR status but not that long... People the older they get they are more open to sex faster (say she's 21 virgin... she'll give it to you after she knows your serious maybe 1 month-2-3months or even a week). However, I meet her friends only after that
Women who need validation for their date life = insecure to the core
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.