escaleraroyal
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Elaborate pls
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Got kicked out of supermarket
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Bokanovsky
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You joined in 2008 and have 374 posts, so I'm assuming you are not a troll.
Do you really not see how it's weird to approach random people with a line about chicken wings at Costco? The woman probably thought you had mental issues.
WanderingMan
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lol'd numerous times on this thread
What's the typical response, OP? I'm trying to put myself in her shoes and can't really imagine what she would be thinking.
She probably thought O.P. was a "vegetable" himself.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
escaleraroyal
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Thanks guys for the input
WanderingMan
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Seriously, have you really used that opener and it's worked? Trying to understand.
Atom Smasher
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Girls like men who eat beef.
escaleraroyal
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Yes, it has. Multiple times.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
WanderingMan
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how do they respond? Can you provide a few examples?
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Strange. Creepy. Odd. Mentally ill. Unstable.
Those are the descriptors that enter my mind...especially if you are smiling while saying this nonsense.
Imaginary friend? Potentially dangerous...off base...
That's how it would come off to a chick. Good looking women who stand out deal with an outrageous amount of really creepy behavior.
Much better strategy (should work well in Costco) would be:
"Hi. Do you happen to know where the peanut butter is in here? I can never find anything..."
You're welcome.
ChristopherColumbus
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At a supermarket? Want an opener? Get a can opener off the shelf, and ask her if she knows how it works?
Atom Smasher
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escaleraroyal, is this in North America, or in another country? I get a vibe it's another county and I'm guessing English isn't your primary language? I may be wrong... just a hunch. How old are you by the way?
I think a more effective approach is to mention something that's more immediate to your surroundings, something that is more relatable to her.
"You remind me of Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz the way you're holding that basket"
"Looks like you're making something delicious for dinner tonight! May I come over?"
Things like that.
One tip I posted a couple years ago that is nuclear is my "Don't Look" approach. When you see a woman looking around on a shelf at the store, look around next to her and say something like "They always stop carrying the things that I like" or anything else that has to do with shopping. They key is to NOT look at her and to say it as if you're saying it to a guy. This comes across as very non-threatening to her, plus it's easy for a man to do. I am the inventor of this technique and require $1.00 sent to my PayPal account every time it's used, and that goes for all of you reading this!
But seriously, try the "Don't Look" approach. It is amazingly effective and easy to build upon. If you approach more directly, talk about something that is going on around you, not something you did before. That screams out "Pickup" and it also shows a simplistic and contrived way of doing it. If you talk about something that is in your immediate surroundings, it shows that you can think on your feet.
I think a more effective approach is to mention something that's more immediate to your surroundings, something that is more relatable to her.
"You remind me of Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz the way you're holding that basket"
"Looks like you're making something delicious for dinner tonight! May I come over?"
Things like that.
One tip I posted a couple years ago that is nuclear is my "Don't Look" approach. When you see a woman looking around on a shelf at the store, look around next to her and say something like "They always stop carrying the things that I like" or anything else that has to do with shopping. They key is to NOT look at her and to say it as if you're saying it to a guy. This comes across as very non-threatening to her, plus it's easy for a man to do. I am the inventor of this technique and require $1.00 sent to my PayPal account every time it's used, and that goes for all of you reading this!
But seriously, try the "Don't Look" approach. It is amazingly effective and easy to build upon. If you approach more directly, talk about something that is going on around you, not something you did before. That screams out "Pickup" and it also shows a simplistic and contrived way of doing it. If you talk about something that is in your immediate surroundings, it shows that you can think on your feet.
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This is the truth. To her, she was sexually harassed.
If he were a muscular millionaire, she would write it as friendly flirting.
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
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OP, she didn't find you attractive. When a woman finds you unattractive, she labels everything you do and say as such.
Conversely, when she does find you attractive, suddenly your ability to unlock every achievement on NBA 2K17 and Madden is sexy to her.
Hey, when I was in college, chicks thought I was sexy even though I either drove my Nissan Sentra or Dodge Intrepid. This was in 2004 when I had some popularity. I even got girls' numbers while playing my Game Boy Advance.
zekko
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That's what Mystery did, though.
WanderingMan
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not really though, what he said had some purpose or end meaning, it would lead to a conversation.
How is what you described here related to what OP described? Is the OP unattractive, is that why the lady didn't understand what he said?
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Point is, if she likes you and is interested, she'll make it easy and not confuse you. Guess what the opposite is?
WanderingMan
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How is she supposed to like you or be interested when you're a random stranger and the first thing that comes out of your mouth is complete gibble garble?
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.