I'm 19 and I'm 5'7" around 125lbs (pretty skinny) I was curious if adding muscle and getting lean would have an impact? Have any of you gone from either very skinny to jacked or fat to jacked and noticed a difference with women?
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You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
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Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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Yes. It is an equivalent of flat girl getting ass and tits.
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Yes, there is an absolute positive difference. Contrary to what some might tell you, though, you don't need to be totally jacked to see that improvement with attention women. Even a moderately fit look will completely up your game. It has to do with both your look and the way you feel about yourself and carry yourself.
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I disagree. Women don't see sex the same way men do. Many things can be 'hot' to them. To men, it's pretty simple - like you said.
I do there there is an element of visual attractiveness that is necessary, but it's much less pronounced. There is that Adonis ratio or whatever, the width of your shoulders vs. your chest, plus the square jaw stuff. But beyond that, it's all about your confidence and that can just take so many shapes and forms.
Women give significantly more leeway in looks than we do. It's important to them but they consider the package (both of them) more than any one single aspect.
I know girls who want jacked muscles, others who like a slim, athletic build like Michael Phelps, some who like a "dad bod". You can be too fat but not to skinny within reason.
I know girls who want jacked muscles, others who like a slim, athletic build like Michael Phelps, some who like a "dad bod". You can be too fat but not to skinny within reason.
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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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The big difference comes from skinny, fat or skinny fat to in good shape.
From being in good shape to be jacked or ripped there is still an improvement but not as big as the first case.
From being in good shape to be jacked or ripped there is still an improvement but not as big as the first case.
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Agreed. Although I would argue that skinny fat is often worse than fat as far as atttacting women.
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Agreed. The other benefit is how that fitness improves your face.
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Well it depends what we consider fat, if we talk about the chubby soft guy I would put it in the same value of the skinny fat one.
If by fat we also include the "strong fat guy" type then agree on that, the strong fat guy is surely a better option in terms of attraction than the skinny fat.
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Yeah that's an important difference.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.