I'm 19 and I'm 5'7" around 125lbs (pretty skinny) I was curious if adding muscle and getting lean would have an impact? Have any of you gone from either very skinny to jacked or fat to jacked and noticed a difference with women?
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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
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She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
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Yes. It is an equivalent of flat girl getting ass and tits.
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Yes, there is an absolute positive difference. Contrary to what some might tell you, though, you don't need to be totally jacked to see that improvement with attention women. Even a moderately fit look will completely up your game. It has to do with both your look and the way you feel about yourself and carry yourself.
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I disagree. Women don't see sex the same way men do. Many things can be 'hot' to them. To men, it's pretty simple - like you said.
I do there there is an element of visual attractiveness that is necessary, but it's much less pronounced. There is that Adonis ratio or whatever, the width of your shoulders vs. your chest, plus the square jaw stuff. But beyond that, it's all about your confidence and that can just take so many shapes and forms.
Women give significantly more leeway in looks than we do. It's important to them but they consider the package (both of them) more than any one single aspect.
I know girls who want jacked muscles, others who like a slim, athletic build like Michael Phelps, some who like a "dad bod". You can be too fat but not to skinny within reason.
I know girls who want jacked muscles, others who like a slim, athletic build like Michael Phelps, some who like a "dad bod". You can be too fat but not to skinny within reason.
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Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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The big difference comes from skinny, fat or skinny fat to in good shape.
From being in good shape to be jacked or ripped there is still an improvement but not as big as the first case.
From being in good shape to be jacked or ripped there is still an improvement but not as big as the first case.
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Agreed. Although I would argue that skinny fat is often worse than fat as far as atttacting women.
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Agreed. The other benefit is how that fitness improves your face.
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Well it depends what we consider fat, if we talk about the chubby soft guy I would put it in the same value of the skinny fat one.
If by fat we also include the "strong fat guy" type then agree on that, the strong fat guy is surely a better option in terms of attraction than the skinny fat.
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Yeah that's an important difference.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.