"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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lil hooligan

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Right guys here's the deal I'm 17 she's 17
 
We went to highschool togeather I liked her and she liked me but we never got togeather because other stuff was always getting in the way

Anyway I'm in the army and obviously don't get home much but I am home this weekend (Friday night -Sunday afternoon

I was on facebook to her about a week ago and found out she has a bf but I asked her if she would like to go for a coffee when I am next home and she was hesitent because of her bf but I convinced her anyway because I said just as friends

and this is where I as for your help you see of course I need to call her and arrange something but there's my problem what should I say when I call her and what should I say at the actual, dare I say... date 

Please guys don't hesitate to ask for more info and thanks in advance ;)
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Do the highly improbable, get out of the friendzone, get the girl who has a bf and hold down a relationship while in the army
 

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lil hooligan said:
Do the highly improbable, get out of the friendzone, get the girl who has a bf and hold down a relationship while in the army
Sounds like its probably more effort than its worth to me.

I don't think there is any special advice for this situation, just treat here as you would any other potential girl.
 

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lil hooligan said:
I was on facebook to her about a week ago and found out she has a bf but I asked her if she would like to go for a coffee when I am next home and she was hesitent because of her bf but I convinced her anyway because I said just as friends

and this is where I as for your help you see of course I need to call her and arrange something but there's my problem what should I say when I call her and what should I say at the actual, dare I say... date 

Please guys don't hesitate to ask for more info and thanks in advance ;)
I'll chalk it up to you being 17 and inexperienced, but as a previous poster said already: What's the point, you stuck yourself in the friendzone?

She accepted because you said it would be as "FRIENDS" so she's expecting no more than just coffee. (BTW, you're 17... coffee???)

Don't be surprised when you try to kino or go in for a kiss and she gives a weird look or even a "What are you doing?".

You set yourself up for a disappointment.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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So you think I should leave it... But I like a good challenge
 

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Anyone???
 

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Just hang out as friends. Treat her as you would any of your other dude friends (but do stuff you want to do, not go shopping and boring girlfriends stuff)

If you remain cool and aloof, she should fall for you (unless youre just a terrible person in general)

's worked for me more than a couple times. When you put them in the friend zone first youve got all the power imo (in my opinion)
 

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lil hooligan said:
Do the highly improbable, get out of the friendzone, get the girl who has a bf and hold down a relationship while in the army
You're inexperienced and young :p. Hold down a healthy relationship while away in the Military? Give me a break kid, there's husbands and wives who barely can even achieve this (most don't)and you're going to try to do it with a young 17 year old girl? This isn't Hollywood. If you have any self respect and respect for this girl, you'll leave her alone and go chase single horny broads. You set yourself up with losing odds.

Go have some coffee, have fun, be funny, be a man and network with her and meet her friends. She surely must have quite a few, she is after all a girl.
 

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It would have been a long shot even if you hadn't said you just wanted to be friends. Now that you've said it it's pretty much impossible. Give it a year or two, go after other girls, if after that you still think this one is "the one" you can always give it another try.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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go to the archives, there is a guide on getting out of the friendzone
 
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