"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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You are such a Nice Guy

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What could you say to a woman that you intend to favk if she tells you "you are such a Nice Guy". I myself find it insulting just as being compared to a doormat.

A: "No, I am not"
B: "Really? I have never been told that"
C: "Pove me I am nice (Not sure what might happen after this)
D: "I can prove you wrong". Then escalate
E: "Would a nice guy grab a girls butt in public?" Then proceed to grab her butt (expect slap perhaps?)
F: "Thats not what you moma told me last night."
G: ?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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When they tell me this i fark her in the ass hard with no condom with my 12 inch ****. Actually i never get told this so i can't help you.
 

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Says nothing without context. If it bothers you being called nice, then that's a problem of insecurity you've to work on.
You find it insulting because it hurts your manly ego, but remember that women are a reflection of yourself. If anything, be mad at yourself and calibrate your mindset/actions to have another outcome.
 

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tell her you wanna have a threesome with her and perhaps another girl or guy and ask if she wants this too. you can be more subtle in the way you say it.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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There is nothing wrong with being a nice guy so long as you are still able to be sexual with her without regards to her feelings. All it takes is for you to glance at her tits and smile to communicate this. If she gets offended, shrug and ignore her.

She can believe anything she wants. So long as you don't embody what she is saying and you don't let her assessment of you taint your self-esteem (getting butthurt by her words) then it's just her opinion.

So long as you're able to walk away from her if she gets offended, then you have all the power.

Offense is taken, not given. If you don't take offense to being called a nice guy then you aren't one.
 

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"I've been told that I'm sweet and spicy. Sweet in public and spicy in private..." Tell her that while you are smirking at her.

If anything, that will raise her curiosity and could lead to other things. And it's a very subtle way of hinting at things without being crude.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Contrary to PUA belief, "nice guy" in real world speak does not mean "doormat". The seduction community pushes this definition, but it's a niche group. This idea of the "nice guy" as a bad thing is becoming more mainstream. But I have heard many women describe men that they were clearly highly attracted to as "nice". I would just say thanks and proceed as normal.

The worst thing you can do is act butthurt and offended over it.
 

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I remember I one time had a date with this girl.....

Went out,date was "ok" and all. At the end I asked her about getting together again,and she started out with "I think you're a great guy....". Soon as I heard it,I went,"Oh sh1t......". I instantly knew things weren't going well and there would be no second date.

Over the years I've come to learn that women speak well..............they SPEAK WELL........of what they DON'T LIKE...........and criticize/speak negatively about what they DO LIKE in the realm of men and dating.

Ever heard of a woman calling a man a jerk or an azzhole....only to end up in bed with him?
Or a woman complimenting a guy,talking about how "nice" and/or sweet he is.....only to reject him to the friendzone?

What about a woman telling you that you're her "best friend"? You know that ain't going no where.

I can't speak for others,only myself. And me PERSONALLY.......I've never got the "you're a nice guy" line and it lead to a preferred outcome.
 

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Contrary to PUA belief, "nice guy" in real world speak does not mean "doormat". The seduction community pushes this definition, but it's a niche group. This idea of the "nice guy" as a bad thing is becoming more mainstream. But I have heard many women describe men that they were clearly highly attracted to as "nice". I would just say thanks and proceed as normal.

The worst thing you can do is act butthurt and offended over it.
Yea just like "cute" means good looking. I knew some cool alphas that females called "nice" because occasionally they'd do a favor.
 

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Yea just like "cute" means good looking. I knew some cool alphas that females called "nice" because occasionally they'd do a favor.
Yeah, the thing to remember is most women aren't reading SoSuave, so they're not as caught up in PUA terminology as we are.
 

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Yeah, the thing to remember is most women aren't reading SoSuave, so they're not as caught up in PUA terminology as we are.
I'm still hoping to someday overhear a chick drop the term "Chad" in casual conversation. I will spit out my coffee and die laughing.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I remember I one time had a date with this girl.....

Went out,date was "ok" and all. At the end I asked her about getting together again,and she started out with "I think you're a great guy....". Soon as I heard it,I went,"Oh sh1t......". I instantly knew things weren't going well and there would be no second date.

Over the years I've come to learn that women speak well..............they SPEAK WELL........of what they DON'T LIKE...........and criticize/speak negatively about what they DO LIKE in the realm of men and dating.

Ever heard of a woman calling a man a jerk or an azzhole....only to end up in bed with him?
Or a woman complimenting a guy,talking about how "nice" and/or sweet he is.....only to reject him to the friendzone?

What about a woman telling you that you're her "best friend"? You know that ain't going no where.

I can't speak for others,only myself. And me PERSONALLY.......I've never got the "you're a nice guy" line and it lead to a preferred outcome.
Exactly!
 

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I remember I one time had a date with this girl.....

Went out,date was "ok" and all. At the end I asked her about getting together again,and she started out with "I think you're a great guy....". Soon as I heard it,I went,"Oh sh1t......". I instantly knew things weren't going well and there would be no second date.

Over the years I've come to learn that women speak well..............they SPEAK WELL........of what they DON'T LIKE...........and criticize/speak negatively about what they DO LIKE in the realm of men and dating.

Ever heard of a woman calling a man a jerk or an azzhole....only to end up in bed with him?
Or a woman complimenting a guy,talking about how "nice" and/or sweet he is.....only to reject him to the friendzone?

What about a woman telling you that you're her "best friend"? You know that ain't going no where.

I can't speak for others,only myself. And me PERSONALLY.......I've never got the "you're a nice guy" line and it lead to a preferred outcome.
They do this with girls too. I've had girls say "my friend is really cute". The friend is never cute. But when they say "she can be a b*tch", this means she's smokin'.
 

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They do this with girls too. I've had girls say "my friend is really cute". The friend is never cute.
I don't understand women's taste in other women. I've heard many women talk about other women and about how beautiful they are, and when I see them I'm thinking they're not attractive at all. Well, tastes differ, so there's that. But maybe if the woman they talk about were truly that good looking, they wouldn't be wanting to give them that credit and admit it. They're already attractive, so they don't need the extra hype.
 

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I don't understand women's taste in other women. I've heard many women talk about other women and about how beautiful they are, and when I see them I'm thinking they're not attractive at all. Well, tastes differ, so there's that. But maybe if the woman they talk about were truly that good looking, they wouldn't be wanting to give them that credit and admit it. They're already attractive, so they don't need the extra hype.
I think women will call any other woman beautiful who is thinner and has an equal or better face than they do.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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