"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Wrong if you're not interested ?

AlexTheGreat

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Would it be morally wrong to date a girl even tho I'm not interested in her ? I mean, just hang out to the theatres or whatever, and practice some DJ skills on her ?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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IMOHO no, morals are just judao-christian norms taking over your life. Do what you want to do.
 

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Originally posted by AlexTheGreat
Would it be morally wrong to date a girl even tho I'm not interested in her ? I mean, just hang out to the theatres or whatever, and practice some DJ skills on her ?
Ignore the guy above. Even if it was not, it's a pointless thing to do, cuz you don't get experience with a girl you ARE attracted to. So you can put "tha moovz" on some random chick, then when one you like comes along, bam, back to square one? Work on attractive girls, and work on your mindset as well as "the moves"
 

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why should it be? i do it all the time. as long as you dont give her too much hope or mean to just lead her on, its ok.

and besides, you have girl friends. practice the ****y and funny on them. especially since most of these girls may or may not have put you in the friend zone already, practicing on them and possibly getting them interested would be great practice.
 

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Do YOU think it's wrong? That's all that matters. Regardless of what we tell you if you start messing around this girl and deep down you think it's wrong, then the relationship will fail. You need to decide for yourself.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Re: Re: Wrong if you're not interested ?

Originally posted by MetalFortress
Ignore the guy above. Even if it was not, it's a pointless thing to do, cuz you don't get experience with a girl you ARE attracted to. So you can put "tha moovz" on some random chick, then when one you like comes along, bam, back to square one? Work on attractive girls, and work on your mindset as well as "the moves"
Alright Alex, ill repeat, do what you want to do, not what you think others think you should not be doing.

If he is not attracted to her, it does not make her not attractive. She could just not be smart enough for him. IMOHO the more practice the better and if you want to fool around with her, then do so.

If you are interested in her as a friend then you might as well hang out and date, but if it is purely to practice your skills, then i would not as why would i want to spend time with some girl who i do not have any kind of interest in.




Roll with the punches
 

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Originally posted by AlexTheGreat
Would it be morally wrong to date a girl even tho I'm not interested in her ?

We can't ****ing decide that for you... Would it be morally wrong? You have your own morals, I have my own.

What kind of question is that?

I mean, just hang out to the theatres or whatever, and practice some DJ skills on her?


Do what you want... I wouldn't date a girl I didn't want to date... not for moral reasons: but because she might try to kiss me or something.... ew, ugly tongue.
 

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It wouldn't do any harm at all just to hang out with her and sure, go ahead and put some of your DJ skills to use, just don't go too far. I don't like it when girls lead me on and I'm pretty sure they don't either. But, if you're already in the "friends" zone with her, it really doesn't matter. I'm sure my morals are a lot different than yours so it's all up to you
 

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Make your own decision, man. We can't do it all for you.

What do you think?

Personally, I wouldn't do it. It doesn't even count as 'experience', because when a girl comes along that you really, truly DO like - you won't know how to handle it, you'll only know how to handle it when you've got nothing to lose because you don't feel anything towards the broad.

Like was mentioned: Have you ever been led on by a woman? Did you like how it felt?
 
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