"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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would you use this line?

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Would you use this line or something similar....

I was waiting for the train and I saw this woman with shapely legs....legs are very important to me.

I wanted to go up and compliment her on her dress first, then mention her great legs. She knows she has them and I like them.

have you guys had success being bold or would you word it different?
or is that immature? She was obviously in her 30s.


side note..

I didn't do anything...which is why I'm here asking.. Ugh...i hate hesitation. .

but


some young skinny blonde chicks were promoting stuff and I conversated with the youngins so I forgot about the legs.

I'm glad I can come here and share ideas with you players
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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You earn money so you can buy the big juicy steak; you don't go straight in to the field waving a machete like a mad man.

To clarify; I talk to a woman like a human being, like the suave scheister I am, not like a desperate schoolboy (I'm a face/tits/ass/leg man - yeah, I like 9s and 10s only).

They call it 'game' for a reason dude. You gotta play a while for the prize you're after, whatever it might be.
 

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In general it's not a good idea to start out complimenting on physical attributes, esp the 9's and 10's who already know this. You may think it's flattering, but she's sick of guys complimenting her a$$ and legs and b00bs and body, knowing they're just trying to get in her pants.

If you're going to compliment her, make it something like her smile or the way she carries herself, or her shoes or tell her she looks "interesting". Hell, i'd even prefer a good neg or tongue in cheek ****y teasing over a straight compliment.

I feel your pain. When we see a gorgeous woman, the irrational side of us takes over and the first thing we want to blurt out is how fvcking beautiful she is. It feels like a good idea, but it's never successful. You have to resist this urge.
 

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Thanks for reminding me to hold my horses bros.

yea its a game and furthermore its a reminder that I gotta keep my stable full so I'm not lusting over a beautiful pair of legs.
 

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gravityeyelids said:
In general it's not a good idea to start out complimenting on physical attributes, esp the 9's and 10's who already know this. You may think it's flattering, but she's sick of guys complimenting her a$$ and legs and b00bs and body, knowing they're just trying to get in her pants.

If you're going to compliment her, make it something like her smile or the way she carries herself, or her shoes or tell her she looks "interesting". Hell, i'd even prefer a good neg or tongue in cheek ****y teasing over a straight compliment.

I feel your pain. When we see a gorgeous woman, the irrational side of us takes over and the first thing we want to blurt out is how fvcking beautiful she is. It feels like a good idea, but it's never successful. You have to resist this urge.
Solid.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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If she's anything higher than a 7, Neg hitting her is your best option if you want to go that route. I don't like it either, but from all the compliments and attention from all these guys, attacking her ego isn't such a bad idea. If you can use your opponent against themselves, then do it. I think Sun Tzu said something like that in his book.
 

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If I've seen her for quite a while and she's been good for ages, and I see her looking particularly hot, I might use a bit of sarcasm like, 'Wow. You look awful today', or some such. I wouldn't ever qualify upon first meeting though. Or even in the first few meetings.

What we need to understand is that women are obsessed by appearance, because they know that male primal urges in this species are driven almost entirely driven by aesthetics. Therefore, once appreciation of a woman's aesthetics are qualified, she no longer has a challenge.

You only need to view social media, on a daily if not hourly basis, the way targets seek aesthetic qualification an the way beta-boys wantonly bow to that qualification. It makes me physically sick to see. These saps don't make life any easier for the rest of us.
 

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Most hot women hate compliments because its not congruent with what they think about themselves.

I wouldn't neg some random either. Your job is to create comfort. You are a complete stranger and its weird rocking up on the set like that. Once you create comfort, then you build on attraction and rapport. This is what I'm working on right now.

People will naturally be on guard when you enter their space, even our loved ones notice the space being opened up. Perhaps you could open from a distance, then move closer? I dont know, I might try this out tonight!
 
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If you got a 'take it or leave it' attitude then you can pretty much say anything you want (with a little cheeky smile of course).
 

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gravityeyelids +1

I only compliment women on things other than looks.

A man who can look past the "assets" of 9s/10s etc is perceived as a man who has had many experiences with such women.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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_sideways_ said:
I wanted to go up and compliment her on her dress first, then mention her great legs. She knows she has them and I like them.

physical compliments are useless because tons of men have already done it and there is no need to compliment a woman for something that was given to her.
 
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