"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Would you rather be seen as creepy or as a wussy?

Would you rather come off as:

  • Creepy

    Votes: 20 95.2%
  • Wuss

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .

r0cky

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Ok you see a girl you like walking or sitting in the park or at bar or whatever.

If you approach her you run the risk of being seen as creepy

If you dont approach her you're building reference experience that you're a pu55y who can't approach the girls he likes.

Chose one.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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MM92

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This is unbelievably difficult. I think creepy but give me to the morning to think it through. Actually, rather be creepy. I think if you give it a go the lass would have a lot more respect for you, just my opinion/experience though.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
The classic Beta wuss vs Omega creep debate...I have elements of both in me unfortunately, but also alpha traits. Id rather be a creep but only if I wasnt ACTUALLY a creep, just approaching women way out of my league and they felt bad so called me one.
Whats the difference between being a creep and being called a creep?
Isnt creepiness subjective? Like if you did something that is considered creepy but you didnt know and nobody told you it was creepy, would you be considered a creep?
And i'snt creepiness just a mental label given by the judger? So what happens when there are no people to judge the behavior? Is it still creepy? And to whom?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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d!ckmojo

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I've been seen as both, but at least creepy is on the way to where you want to be. You start off as a wuss, you have to go through the stage of being creepy until you get your calibration right, then you're able to be just suave and you're a proper DJ.
 

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There are two types of creepy:

1. An awkward guy who is inappropriate towards or around women.

2. A guy who is otherwise normal, but not good looking to the woman. Instead of her admitting he's not attractive to her (and her risking sounding shallow), she calls him "creepy" as a smokescreen to make people believe she means #1. She wants others to BELIEVE she is rejecting him because of his awkwardness and poor social savy, not because of looks. That way, she's not "shallow"; he's just awkward creepy like #1.

So what does this mean to us guys? Well, #1 is fixable with experience. As you get more comfort and experience around women, you can take care of #1.
For #2, take reasonable steps to optimize your look. Work out, dress well, blah blah blah, etc.

If she still calls you creepy, too F-ing bad. Consider it a badge of honor at that point, because like the others said, this kind of creep can still get laid.
 

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Wow. Almost 100% of people here would rather be seen as creepy. So why is it that almost everybody on this forum dreads cold aproaching?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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a creep is on his way, just needs some fine tuning, a wuss still has a long way to go..
 

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Think of it like playing the Mega Millions Lottery.

A wuss buys no tickets. :down:

A creep buys one ticket. :up:

The creep has a better chance of winning, even if it is super slim.

I'd rather creep. That's my ruling.

Case closed.
 

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I almost exclusively cold approach. Been called creepy many times. Been laid many times. It comes with the territory.
 

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Creepy hands down. Creeps at least try. Better to regret something you did than something (or someone for that matter) you didn't do.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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shizz702 said:
Then you must be the guy who stays at home jerking off on saturday nights.
Dont give me none of that "I'll come off as a pimp" talk because even pimps run the risk of creeping girls out.
 
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