"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Would you rather be seen as creepy or as a wussy?

Would you rather come off as:

  • Creepy

    Votes: 20 95.2%
  • Wuss

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .

r0cky

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Ok you see a girl you like walking or sitting in the park or at bar or whatever.

If you approach her you run the risk of being seen as creepy

If you dont approach her you're building reference experience that you're a pu55y who can't approach the girls he likes.

Chose one.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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MM92

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This is unbelievably difficult. I think creepy but give me to the morning to think it through. Actually, rather be creepy. I think if you give it a go the lass would have a lot more respect for you, just my opinion/experience though.
 

n00bPimp

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
The classic Beta wuss vs Omega creep debate...I have elements of both in me unfortunately, but also alpha traits. Id rather be a creep but only if I wasnt ACTUALLY a creep, just approaching women way out of my league and they felt bad so called me one.
Whats the difference between being a creep and being called a creep?
Isnt creepiness subjective? Like if you did something that is considered creepy but you didnt know and nobody told you it was creepy, would you be considered a creep?
And i'snt creepiness just a mental label given by the judger? So what happens when there are no people to judge the behavior? Is it still creepy? And to whom?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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d!ckmojo

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I've been seen as both, but at least creepy is on the way to where you want to be. You start off as a wuss, you have to go through the stage of being creepy until you get your calibration right, then you're able to be just suave and you're a proper DJ.
 

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There are two types of creepy:

1. An awkward guy who is inappropriate towards or around women.

2. A guy who is otherwise normal, but not good looking to the woman. Instead of her admitting he's not attractive to her (and her risking sounding shallow), she calls him "creepy" as a smokescreen to make people believe she means #1. She wants others to BELIEVE she is rejecting him because of his awkwardness and poor social savy, not because of looks. That way, she's not "shallow"; he's just awkward creepy like #1.

So what does this mean to us guys? Well, #1 is fixable with experience. As you get more comfort and experience around women, you can take care of #1.
For #2, take reasonable steps to optimize your look. Work out, dress well, blah blah blah, etc.

If she still calls you creepy, too F-ing bad. Consider it a badge of honor at that point, because like the others said, this kind of creep can still get laid.
 

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Wow. Almost 100% of people here would rather be seen as creepy. So why is it that almost everybody on this forum dreads cold aproaching?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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a creep is on his way, just needs some fine tuning, a wuss still has a long way to go..
 

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Think of it like playing the Mega Millions Lottery.

A wuss buys no tickets. :down:

A creep buys one ticket. :up:

The creep has a better chance of winning, even if it is super slim.

I'd rather creep. That's my ruling.

Case closed.
 

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I almost exclusively cold approach. Been called creepy many times. Been laid many times. It comes with the territory.
 

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Creepy hands down. Creeps at least try. Better to regret something you did than something (or someone for that matter) you didn't do.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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r0cky

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shizz702 said:
Then you must be the guy who stays at home jerking off on saturday nights.
Dont give me none of that "I'll come off as a pimp" talk because even pimps run the risk of creeping girls out.
 
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