Would a guy get offended or hold a grudge if you and a girl were both naked and about to have sex and the girl told you NO ? Would you speak to this girl again? Or would you speak to her and still be angry in the back of your mind.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Mike32ct said:If it's a one night stand, I would chalk it up to a loss and move on. I wouldn't hold a grudge per se, but I'd delete her number.
If it's someone I'm dating, it depends what she said and how she said it.
If she politely told me she just isn't ready yet to go all the way or if she had a legitimate excuse like she's on her period, I would respect that. There would be no hard feelings. I would call her again.
But if she's naked, we fool around a lot, and she just gives me a firm no with no reason, I would move on and delete her number. She's not (that) attracted and is wasting my time. Or she's not actually single lol.
The grudge would be short lived, but I wouldn't contact her again.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
That alcohol part probably doesn't matter either way to the guy. Obviously it's extremely common to have a buzz going when you hook up.mocha2010 said:Would this change if you both got to this situation with the aid of alcohol ? And she just got caught up into drinks that you gave her and when she realized what she was doing she changed her mind.
Interesting way to phrase this like it is the mans fault. I would be glad not to have sex with a chick like that, I'd be happy she changed her mind that way I do not catch a case cause of a crazy slvt.mocha2010 said:And she just got caught up into drinks that you gave her and when she realized what she was doing she changed her mind.
Why would you get offended or hold a grudge? If i were you i would of just played it cool and yeah i would still talk to this girl while i talk to other girls. no reason to get emotional about it. That would show AFC attitude and that you have no other options. Keep it cool man, The smooth guy that gets the ladies never lets stuff like that get to him.mocha2010 said:Would a guy get offended or hold a grudge if you and a girl were both naked and about to have sex and the girl told you NO ? Would you speak to this girl again? Or would you speak to her and still be angry in the back of your mind.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
No, I wouldn't be angry, but probably because I could laugh it off as the test that it is. It might be your subconscious mind doing it, but saying no at the last minute is a way to test to see if the guy only wants sex.mocha2010 said:Would a guy get offended or hold a grudge if you and a girl were both naked and about to have sex and the girl told you NO ? Would you speak to this girl again? Or would you speak to her and still be angry in the back of your mind.
exactlyDonJuanit0 said:I would just turn over and sleep no being angry about it! It has happened to me and that's what I did before! I remember we had sex first thing in the morning!![]()
Wouldn't this or abruptly putting on clothes and leaving not convey that it affected/troubled you?DonJuanit0 said:I would just turn over and sleep no being angry about it! It has happened to me and that's what I did before! I remember we had sex first thing in the morning!![]()
Mike 32ctMike32ct said:If it's a one night stand, I would chalk it up to a loss and move on. I wouldn't hold a grudge per se, but I'd delete her number.
If it's someone I'm dating, it depends what she said and how she said it.
If she politely told me she just isn't ready yet to go all the way or if she had a legitimate excuse like she's on her period, I would respect that. There would be no hard feelings. I would call her again.
But if she's naked, we fool around a lot, and she just gives me a firm no with no reason, I would move on and delete her number. She's not (that) attracted and is wasting my time. Or she's not actually single lol.
The grudge would be short lived, but I wouldn't contact her again.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Cool, this is the BEST answer Ive heard so far. I would date you.DonJuanit0 said:I would just turn over and sleep no being angry about it! It has happened to me and that's what I did before! I remember we had sex first thing in the morning!![]()
Hey Mocha I have a question for you....mocha2010 said:Mike 32ct
I think you are being too sensitive. Obviously if the girl agreed to get naked with you in the first place she must have had some attraction to you. So its not that.
What if you find out she is later emotionally unavailable or has past sexual issues. Just don't cancel her out right away or hold a grudge. You could be missing out on a great girl.
LOL no not mind readers but just to consider all of the factswomen haze said:Hey Mocha I have a question for you....
Do you expect guys to be mind readers? just curious
Do you believe that it is ok to lead on a guy and then say no without any explaination?
You being the girl who said no...would you explain why you said no to him.?
If that is the case and the excuse is valid then I would not hold a grudge..
Communication is key on both sides of the fence guys and girls.....
Well that's quite hilariously specific.mocha2010 said:7. She may have seen another woman's feminine hygiene products in your bathroom when you said you were single, right beforehand.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.