"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Would a girl I met once 2 years ago remember me?

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OP, don't worry about whether she remembers you or not. It is a very simple solution: your response would be you DON'T remember her. Make her validate herself and chase you. Not remembering her means she did not stand out to you; you will engage her hamster wheel which will work out in your favor. Likewise, if she doesn't bring it up, neither do you. Ever.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I would go for don't remember too, hell depending on the mood I would even say well looks like I leave a impression on you.

you guys get scared and/or worried for the most useless things, who cares if she remembers? who cares what she will think? who cares if you will be alive tomorrow or not? you should be doing you and don't care for others
 

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OP, don't worry about whether she remembers you or not. It is a very simple solution: your response would be you DON'T remember her. Make her validate herself and chase you. Not remembering her means she did not stand out to you; you will engage her hamster wheel which will work out in your favor. Likewise, if she doesn't bring it up, neither do you. Ever.
If I were single I would completely agree. The fear is if she does remember me she will remember my girl as well and could put me in a precarious situation.

I would go for don't remember too, hell depending on the mood I would even say well looks like I leave a impression on you.

you guys get scared and/or worried for the most useless things, who cares if she remembers? who cares what she will think? who cares if you will be alive tomorrow or not? you should be doing you and don't care for oers
Same response I just put above. Although the live for the moment mantra makes me want to go through with it. The logistics of doing it however are a bit of a pain (she lives very far). So when you add it all up, the risk probably isn't worth the reward. I'd have to know I had a 75% of getting laid.

Do you think the video chat suggestion could be a good idea? At least that way if she isn't into me at all I don't waste any time or money pursuing...
 

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If I were single I would completely agree. The fear is if she does remember me she will remember my girl as well and could put me in a precarious situation.



Same response I just put above. Although the live for the moment mantra makes me want to go through with it. The logistics of doing it however are a bit of a pain (she lives very far). So when you add it all up, the risk probably isn't worth the reward. I'd have to know I had a 75% of getting laid.

Do you think the video chat suggestion could be a good idea? At least that way if she isn't into me at all I don't waste any time or money pursuing...
to tell the true no I don't do video calls or anything i'm all up for msgs because is kinda practical, but even so msgs are more for quick things and setting meetings, hell even when I would go out and the girl would live close, I would just send a quick msg telling her tell me when you are ready(on right time I said we would go), then in a couple minutes she would answer then I would go to her then I would send another msg telling her I was in front her house, all simple quick, and all for the logistic of it to make MY life easier

so I tell you this just do things who make YOUR life easier, ask her to meet you in a middle point or in a well know place she would like to go is far better, and always have a back up plan, also note don't be afraid to make mistakes worse case you learn, best case you see how interested she is, because don't matter how bad you do if she is interested she will bite it
 

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to tell the true no I don't do video calls or anything i'm all up for msgs because is kinda practical, but even so msgs are more for quick things and setting meetings, hell even when I would go out and the girl would live close, I would just send a quick msg telling her tell me when you are ready(on right time I said we would go), then in a couple minutes she would answer then I would go to her then I would send another msg telling her I was in front her house, all simple quick, and all for the logistic of it to make MY life easier

so I tell you this just do things who make YOUR life easier, ask her to meet you in a middle point or in a well know place she would like to go is far better, and always have a back up plan, also note don't be afraid to make mistakes worse case you learn, best case you see how interested she is, because don't matter how bad you do if she is interested she will bite it
I hate video calls and always prefer meeting in person. The thing is this girl lives far away and it might be an easier way to see if she even likes me before investing time and resources. Let's face it, initial attraction is everything and if she doesn't like me it makes it easier not to invest.

When you meet girls they pretty much know right away if they are attracted to you.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I appreciate the response, all valid points.

1. He is not a close friend. He would never find out though. They don't keep in touch at all and are in different states.

2. Yes, you are absolutely right that she may not find me attractive. She actually is into guys that have facial hair and I'm clean shaven. So I figured I'd try growing facial hair to see if it gives me a shot while also disguising me a bit.

3. So it all comes down to whether she'd remember me or not. If she doesn't remember me then the current narrative fits. If she does the worst that could happen is she finds out who my wifey is and tells her. I'd hope the chances of her doing that are low but that's why I want to see the probability of her remembering me.
Studies have shown that heavy stubble is the most attractive form of facial hair, according to surveys taken by straight women. But don’t grow any facial hair if it just looks bad. Some men can grow good facial hair. On some men it makes you look like a hermit. Personally I can’t grow facial hair. But if you can, you are welcome to try it.
 
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Studies have shown that heavy stubble is the most attractive form of facial hair, according to surveys taken by straight women. But don’t grow any facial hair if it just looks bad. Some men can grow good facial hair. On some men it makes you look like a hermit. Personally I can’t grow facial hair. But if you can, you are welcome to try it.
Yeah I always felt like it wouldn't look good on me but I think I might have some potential. I'm going to try it out and see.. the shaping up is the confusing part so I'm going to probably see if a barber can help

In any case I told the target today I couldn't travel to see her due to the rising covid situation. This is the 2nd time I've postponed on her so I think she isn't buying it as she hasn't responded.

I weighed the pros and cons of this and it wasn't worth the effort in my estimation.
 

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I hate video calls and always prefer meeting in person. The thing is this girl lives far away and it might be an easier way to see if she even likes me before investing time and resources. Let's face it, initial attraction is everything and if she doesn't like me it makes it easier not to invest.

When you meet girls they pretty much know right away if they are attracted to you.
a video call will not help on that, only meetings can do that
 
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a video call will not help on that, only meetings can do that
yes, not a fan of video calls, lost some potential dates online during lockdown because I kept ignoring their requests, or refused, but I wasn;t overly interested anyway, so no big loss. One woman started sending videos of herself talking each day and expected me to do the same and started getting noticebley p1ssed off when I just kept responding via text. Just found it cringey and not for me.
 

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Yeah I always felt like it wouldn't look good on me but I think I might have some potential. I'm going to try it out and see.. the shaping up is the confusing part so I'm going to probably see if a barber can help

In any case I told the target today I couldn't travel to see her due to the rising covid situation. This is the 2nd time I've postponed on her so I think she isn't buying it as she hasn't responded.

I weighed the pros and cons of this and it wasn't worth the effort in my estimation.
I expect she has a thread going on a womens forum about what ****s men are, keep letting them down on dates :D. Will be another jaded woman who starts doing same to men soon!
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I expect she has a thread going on a womens forum about what ****s men are, keep letting them down on dates :D. Will be another jaded woman who starts doing same to men soon!
We were supposed to meet a few times in the past where she was more local but she was "sick" and even ghosted me for a short bit then texted me out of nowhere. I don't feel bad at all from an ethical standpoint, this was only something I was seeing as a fun conquest. Definitely not worth the hassle though, I'll find a new target :)
 
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Yeah so just to clarify, it was a double date sort of thing. Me and my girl, and someone I know and his girl (who is my target). They have since broke up..

So yeah we were together for about 2 hours, but it wasn't an individual date type thing.

You think she will remember?
You remember her after two years, don't you? So why wouldn't she remember you? Is this some kind of a trick question? Does this girl have dementia?

Why do you need to pretend to be someone else? Did you make a fool of yourself last time?
 

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You remember her after two years, don't you? So why wouldn't she remember you? Is this some kind of a trick question? Does this girl have dementia?

Why do you need to pretend to be someone else? Did you make a fool of yourself last time?
She obviously would remember me as far as the event itself that took place. My question is whether she would remember my face and place it to that person/event...

If I saw her randomly somewhere I am honestly not sure I'd instantly recognize her. If you read this thread you'd know why I'm coming back as a different persona.

To my surprise she actually responded today with a short text saying it's bs and that we can try for a camera chat soon.

My facial hair should be grown in fully soon, I will shape it up and possibly try... If I camera chat with her and she doesn't recognize me.. maybe that would help if I meet her in person eventually?
 

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She obviously would remember me as far as the event itself that took place. My question is whether she would remember my face and place it to that person/event...

If I saw her randomly somewhere I am honestly not sure I'd instantly recognize her. If you read this thread you'd know why I'm coming back as a different persona.

To my surprise she actually responded today with a short text saying it's bs and that we can try for a camera chat soon.

My facial hair should be grown in fully soon, I will shape it up and possibly try... If I camera chat with her and she doesn't recognize me.. maybe that would help if I meet her in person eventually?
Unless she was drunk, I'd be amazed if she doesn;t remember you. Who knows, maybe her memory is awful and/or she meets so many people she won;t recall you.
 

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Unless she was drunk, I'd be amazed if she doesn;t remember you. Who knows, maybe her memory is awful and/or she meets so many people she won;t recall you.
I'm hoping the facial hair will help, maybe I will wear glasses also.

I'm probably hindering my looks a bit but gotta be safe.
 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I'm hoping the facial hair will help, maybe I will wear glasses also.

I'm probably hindering my looks a bit but gotta be safe.
haha maybe one of those fake nose, moustache, glasses things you can buy ;)
 

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So she actually has responded to a few follow up texts, and we have tentative plans for a camera chat on Saturday. I am going to get my facial hair shapes up and wear glasses. I don't think it's my optimal look but if it weeds her out I guess this mission wasn't meant to be lol

Do you think she'll recognize me on video? If she doesn't does it make it less likely she will in person?
 

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So we did it.. I said we would just say a quick hello.. probably lasted 20 seconds lol

I was kind of nervous but smiled throughout. She didn't say she recognized me but who knows

Now obviously there is a good chance she didn't find me attractive but who knows. I guess I'll send a text later tonight and see if she responds. My goal with this was to test her recognition as well as if she finds me handsome so I know whether to put any more effort into it.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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