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Some guys have body cams, car cams and cams in their premises
Doesn't matter. Yea, it will get you out of any rape charge, but you may be placed under arrest temporarily, have to defend yourself, get a lawyer, be in the news. Then you have to check if you can legally record the other person through audio only, video and audio, or just video only. Depends on each State's wire tapping laws. Heaven help you if she's found out to be under 18 and you video taped. Then you have a Statutory rape charge due to the recording.

Sex was less risky (non-STD wise) before the digital generation.
 

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not skanky, is more like you failed her little test, she play resistance, then a min or 2 later she comply, she was willing, but since he didn't close she will let him jump more hops now to go again.

I agree with this (have not read the rest of the thread yet though). I had a few cases where we are back at her place, in one case it was a hotel the girl had gotten, on another it was one that I had gotten because we met online and she lived on the other side of the state. First few attempts at a kiss ended with a turned cheek. But I figured, she invited me to her hotel at the end of the date (she lived far away and got a hotel for us for the night) why would she not be into this. I tried a few more times and eventually we kissed and had sex. Same with the one that came from hours away to see me. She knew we were spending the weekend in a hotel together on the water. I figured it was a test or she was just not ready yet. Ended up banging her all weekend and then every other weekend for a few months in a tent while camping lol.

One of my ex's was also like this. Deeeeply religious. No kissing first date. We did eventually on the first date after I pulled away to take her home from my apartment at the time. She then wouldn't talk to me for a couple weeks. Turns out she was afraid of how far she'd go with me considering she kissed me on our first date, she was trying to wait until marriage (this girl was a 9+). Long story short, a few months later, we started sleeping together. Sometimes she felt guilty especially initially, but other times she'd lead ME to the bedroom when we started kissing....I even got it on video busting a nut in her mouth one of the times.

I think in this case you failed her test OP. She invited you in FOR SEX. She wanted sex. You just needed to keep trying and to get her hot enough to do it. It's her ASD (anti slut defense).
 

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I strongly disagree with this.
I disagree with this too. My longest gf was 9 years and she was a phenomenal gf. Always put me first (unfortunately I didn't put her first..). She slept with me our first date and stayed the night for a few more rounds. I've had more issues with girls that wanted me to wait, who ended up being nut jobs.
 

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I disagree with this too. My longest gf was 9 years and she was a phenomenal gf. Always put me first (unfortunately I didn't put her first..). She slept with me our first date and stayed the night for a few more rounds. I've had more issues with girls that wanted me to wait, who ended up being nut jobs.
You do not put the lady first, you are first, she is second. You lead, she follows. That's how it works. She prob. f ucked something up with you and you bounced. Good for you dude.
 

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You do not put the lady first, you are first, she is second. You lead, she follows. That's how it works. She prob. f ucked something up with you and you bounced. Good for you dude.

Well I ended it because I was having multiple affairs. She still wouldn't move out...until she found one of the other girls numbers on a piece of paper and called her....Now looking back at it I realize I had a great life partner.
 
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Well I ended it because I was having multiple affairs. She still wouldn't move out...until she found one of the other girls numbers on a piece of paper and called her....Now looking back at it I realize I had a great life partner.
Well, I guess that's a bit different then. Hopefully, you've learned your lesson. Our failures and f uckups can be our greatest teachers; if we learn from them.
 

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One is the girl who bangs a lot of guys on the first date and has low self esteem. The second is the girl who only sleeps with guys on the first date she has a genuine connection and attraction to. The second category are perfectly good women and suitable for an LTR.
it's funny but i always thought girls were pretending not to be sluts because they were bigger sluts than you could imagine, it turned out to be true ha. the girls that pretend the best are the ones that have the most experience, and are super freaky...

OP you're putting too much pressure on yourself to close. she was clearly wanting some sexual tension and you didn't provide it. she wanted to play back and forth with you and get all worked up before jumping to penetration. that's the mark of someone that's experienced in bed. she wants to be wet and enjoy herself with you, indulge her!

you need to relax and enjoy yourself. stop taking things personally. you know what i do in those situations? i just put her hand on my crotch and start unbuttoning my pants or grabbing all over her while i kiss her or lick/bite her neck. if you're not enjoying the foreplay then why are you wasting your time?
 
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Waiting for anything in general is absurd.
Life is constantly changing, and there won't be a golden opportunity that's in front of you to appear again.
I used to think that if I waited for something, it'll still be there if I come back a week later.
Wrong!

Pu$$y is a hot commodity like money.
If you aren't getting it, then someone else will.
 

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Waiting for anything in general is absurd.
Life is constantly changing, and there won't be a golden opportunity that's in front of you to appear again.
I used to think that if I waited for something, it'll still be there if I come back a week later.
Wrong!

Pu$$y is a hot commodity like money.
If you aren't getting it, then someone else will.
It's all around you. ALL women have one...
 
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No. That's not what I'm saying at all.
Anytime a woman makes you wait for sex, 99% of the time it’s because she’s not sexually attracted to you. Don’t confuse low interest for virtue.
 

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My experience now and going back to the 80's. Take it for what it's worth.
This is why men should spin plates.

When men spin plates, any bad behaviour on the woman’s part is neutralized. If a woman knows you are getting sex from a younger, hotter women, her behaviour will likely change for the better and she will treat the man right.


Yet when men take cues from society and become desperate to be locked down in a relationship, they become weak and dependent. They put up with bad, rude, abusive behaviour from women because they have no alternative, they are not spinning plates.

In North America, women have be able to change the laws to give themselves Power. Men can offset this power by spinning plates.

Come on men.
She doesn't give a fvck how many other women he has lol, she has 10x as many men.
 

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Anytime a woman makes you wait for sex, 99% of the time it’s because she’s not sexually attracted to you. Don’t confuse low interest for virtue.
This hasn't been my experience in many cases. Most women of *value* will not spread their legs on the first date.

You do what you want though. Good luck.
 

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She doesn't give a fvck how many other women he has lol, she has 10x as many men.
And at least some of those men are higher SMV than both him and any woman he could date.

I can never forget when a girl insisted on proving that she was getting taken around, treated and fvcked by an international athlete among the 16 guys she named as her rotation. And this was a girl I considered to be below me in attractiveness. Guys are DELUDED if they think they can beat women at their own game in the SMP. You are playing in totally different leagues. I've said before that the best way to mentally deal with it is to expect women to have far more experience and far more options than men do, not buy the BS of the manosphere about how men are supposed to be this and women supposed to be that which just sets men up for being neurotic when reality doesn't match their delusions.
 
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Anytime a woman makes you wait for sex, 99% of the time it’s because she’s not sexually attracted to you. Don’t confuse low interest for virtue.
Not always correct. Usually, if you do not do anything by the second or third date, you're just there to fill time.
 

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For some reason foreplay and no sex on a first date makes a women feel skanky. However sex on the first date and it ups your chances of seeing her again.
I had this with the very first girl I sexed. I had invited her out and cancelled because I remembered that Italy was playing in the World Cup that evening.

Couple days later I drove her home from work and she was hanging near my driver's window after getting out, giving me the bedroom eyes already and holding my arm.

I invited her to the beach a while later. Again, I drove us there, took her hand immediately as I walked her down the promenade, she was squeezing my hand hard when we crossed the road, loads of girls were staring at us. It was all very new to me. I'd never even held hands with a girl before.

I had quite tight jeans on, and no underwear. I had a raging hard-on the whole time, being so inexperienced, and by the time I'd taken her back to my place, empty of my parents at the time, and showed her my sneaker collection (she was lapping all this up eagerly), my balls ached like purple fire. The pain was excruciating. l still kissed her aggressively (again, first time I'd kissed a girl) and we were on my bed getting hot & heavy.

"I really wanna fūck you now, but my balls hurt too much" I admitted to her. We didn't get naked or have sex, but I knew she'd get buyer's remorse so I licked her cleavage as a memento before driving her home.

And thought to myself "you were so very nearly there Visionist! Nearly lost your V plates!"

A few nights later I invited her round to mine to help me apply a new sunstrip to my car's windscreen. I thought she wouldn't go for it, in fact I even texted her "Becka, do you want to see me or not?" which must have sounded desperate although at the time I was hoping it sounded authoritative and masculine lmao. Anyway, amazingly she was up for it, so I picked her up, we applied the sunstrip, I teased her incessantly and then took her into my (again, mercifully empty) house and lost my virginity.

And then I screwed it all up by oversexting her the next day. We had sex once more and that was that. At least she would climb onto me and kiss me porno style right in front of her parent's house when I would drop her off, lol.
 

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Asked her out for sushi. Told me she "doesn't see this going any further" and that inviting me in (to her house/bed) was a "bad call" on her part when she "thought about it after the fact" and "it's more of a me (her) thing". I didn't respond after that. Figured if I picked her brain more she'd just give more BS non-answers.

She then unfollowed me on Instagram and also removed me from following her so I wouldn't be able to see her profile. Strong immaturity.

The things I'm pretty sure of in this situation are that this girl (probably) doesn't know what she wants, is EXTREMELY immature for her age (27), and has probably pulled this sort of crap before. Hence why she's been single for a long time--especially in her mid-late twenties.

Since her responses were non-answers, you can spin this situation in whatever way you want. You could say she wanted me to push hard for sex and half-rape her, and since I didn't she lost interest. Her consciously thinking that seems unlikely, but it could be argued that if I pushed hard she would have been DTF. You could also say she went further than she usually does on first dates/meets, then felt like a slut after. If I were a betting man, I'd bet she was interested that night (maybe DTF, maybe not), but afterwards kicked into anti-slut defense mode (seems pretty textbook anti-slut defense). That, plus having God knows how many options on the dating app we met on, PLUS not having to pay for any of these first dates, makes it extremely easy to go through men like potato chips.
 
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