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You're on to something, I've known cool AF Italian chicks from places like California and west coast states. In fact, I've known a lot of chill Italians in general but none of them were from the Tri-State. Gotta disagree with you on French girls dude, they are phenomenal, from Louisiana to Paris itself. I am a huge fan. Scandinavian women are beauties but yeah, German women are horrendous.

The toxic Italian women traits I know mostly apply to East Coast Italian chicks, worst ones are from Jersey but Long Island is also really bad. In other areas they are chill. Even knew a cool AF Italian chick from New England.

Come to think of it though man, women from that part of the East Coast really suck in general. Even Eastern European chicks and plain ole white girls I've known from those places are utter trash. Now Brooklyn, Queens, and those places have cool chill women but something about Long Island culture and Jersey sucks.

Kinda OT but I find it weird that Italian American men are stereotyped as heart-throbs but every Italian-Irish mix I've known had an Italian mom and an Irish dad. Don't sleep on dat Irish swagger! (Obvious bias on my end xD)
I was saying above that Italians-Americans sometimes have difficulty relating to American white women of other European ancestries. I wasn't saying that those other white women are good or bad. White women with French ancestry in the United States can often be very watered down. The French ancestor may have been hundreds of years ago. Same can be said from United Kingdom ancestry as well. French women from France can be decent. I haven't met many strongly French women. Overall, I appreciate the nod for being on to something.

As a partial Italian-American living outside of the Northeast or Chicago, I'm more of an oddity, possibly like the cool AF Italian-American women you have met in the West Coast states. I identify as an Italian-American because I look dark and I knew my mom's side of the family more than my dad's side of the family. My dad's side originally migrated to the United States from Eastern Europe. I am white, but I am a dark white with Eastern Euro and Southern Italian mix. I have had sex with white women of a variety of European ancestries, and Hispanic women. There are not a lot of Italian-Americans in the South and Southwestern states. These are the states where I have lived since I achieved sexual maturity.

The city with the worst mating environment on the East Coast of the United States is Washington DC. Washington DC isn't as much Italian-American as New York City, New Jersey, Boston, or Philadelphia. DC seems to attract and proliferate strongly careerist and feminist women. Interactions with these types of women are mostly not good. I would rather deal with an Italian-American woman from NY/NJ than the typical DC woman working at a NGO, on Capitol Hill, or as a lawyer.
 
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I was saying above that Italians-Americans sometimes have difficulty relating to American white women of other European ancestries. I wasn't saying that those other white women are good or bad. White women with French ancestry in the United States can often be very watered down. The French ancestor may have been hundreds of years ago. Same can be said from United Kingdom ancestry as well. French women from France can be decent. I haven't met many strongly French women. Overall, I appreciate the nod for being on to something.

As a partial Italian-American living outside of the Northeast or Chicago, I'm more of an oddity, possibly like the cool AF Italian-American women you have met in the West Coast states. I identify as an Italian-American because I look dark and I knew my mom's side of the family more than my dad's side of the family. My dad's side originally migrated to the United States from Eastern Europe. I am white, but I am a dark white with Eastern Euro and Southern Italian mix. I have had sex with white women of a variety of European ancestries, and Hispanic women. There are not a lot of Italian-Americans in the South and Southwestern states. These are the states where I have lived since I achieved sexual maturity.

The city with the worst mating environment on the East Coast of the United States is Washington DC. Washington DC isn't as much Italian-American as New York City, New Jersey, Boston, or Philadelphia. DC seems to attract and proliferate strongly careerist and feminist women. Interactions with these types of women are mostly not good. I would rather deal with an Italian-American woman from NY/NJ than the typical DC woman working at a NGO, on Capitol Hill, or as a lawyer.
Interesting you mention your appearance. I am curious to know, do you do better with blondes and pale white women or more tanned brunettes and brunettes in general?

I ask because one thing you will find amongst Italian American women, at least on the East Coast, is that they are very blond worshiping in men. A chubby blond guy has a better chance than a Ben Affleck or Henry Cavill lookalike. It is due to the inferiority complex Italians have around being white and how the culture is more narcissistic and image heavy than others.

DC women are not that bad tbh, I had fun there.

Phili, Jersey, and Boston are worse for dating. Only reason NYC is good is because it is so international. It is the traffic from all over the US and the world moving in to Manhattan that make it good. Try going to Long Island or Jersey, loaded with Italians and a mess for dating.
 

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I wanted to create a list of women that need to be avoided at all costs in order for a man to live a healthy sane life, here is my list:

1. Women with excessive tattoos, this also includes women with skillrex haircuts. Any women that does weird stuff to make herself look like a clown.

Truly damaged for the most part, likely into some weird stuff and mental problems you can write a novel on. A lot of them run with some sketch people and you can count on most being into feminism or the manhating types. Not the hottest but begging for attention most of the times. Be weary!

I don't think there is any exception to this rule, avoid these women.

2. Single moms.

Does this really need much explanation?

3. Women with a history of mental health problems or any woman that casually brings up rape.

Women who have been through traumatic stuff will generally talk about it once they REALLY know you, if she talks about in a casual way, run the other way yourself. These types of women are a false accusation waiting to happen, cover yourself and run the other way!

4. Women who regularly bleach and dye their hair, especially weird colors.

Same with skillrex haircut women, they are looking for extra attention they did not regularly receive and are damaged on the inside. Avoid these women, most are bound to have daddy issues and do anything for attention.

5. White-washed ethnic women with excessive self-hatred.

This is especially true if she is Asian, Indian and Middle Eastern. Most women who have excessive self-hatred have a ton of mental health issues that will manifest later on in the relationship. I have countless white friends who married a white-washed Asian girl thinking they were getting the best deal, these were the same guys that were wrecked in that relationship and stressed like no one's business. The happiest white guys I knew who married ethnic women married the ones that were secure in themselves or the foreign ones.

6. Italian women (of any kind).

Italian women are truly the worst of the worst, it is why Italian men are thirsty for men women from other countries. Does not matter if she is Italian from NYC or Italian from Sicily, Italian women are a bundle of short tempers, narcissism, mental health issues and sociopathy. Learn from Italian men, avoid Italian women at all costs, they are a mess.
Woman who need to be avoided at all cost? Hmmm
Let me think....:rolleyes:

@ImTheDoubleGreatest!
@guru1000
@stormrider

There's 3 off the top of my head.
 

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I'm 100% pureblood Italian and I'm very white skinned. It takes ages for me to get a really deep, dark tan. I can never tan as much as the darker skinned Italians. I had blonde hair as a baby, dark brown now. Green eyes.

I almost exclusively attract pale women, blondes especially. Tanned women are rarely attracted to me.
 

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Interesting you mention your appearance. I am curious to know, do you do better with blondes and pale white women or more tanned brunettes and brunettes in general?

I ask because one thing you will find amongst Italian American women, at least on the East Coast, is that they are very blond worshiping in men. A chubby blond guy has a better chance than a Ben Affleck or Henry Cavill lookalike. It is due to the inferiority complex Italians have around being white and how the culture is more narcissistic and image heavy than others.

DC women are not that bad tbh, I had fun there.

Phili, Jersey, and Boston are worse for dating. Only reason NYC is good is because it is so international. It is the traffic from all over the US and the world moving in to Manhattan that make it good. Try going to Long Island or Jersey, loaded with Italians and a mess for dating.
I do a little bit better with brunettes in general, but not by a wide margin. I tend to be attracted to fit yet feminine women with nice tans. A lot of blonde women have nice tans, especially in the states where I've spent my adult life. Brunettes have a little bit of an advantage on the tanning. There are pale brunettes though.

I've never dated in any of the East Coast cities. DC generally has a bad reputation. NYC has a better reputation than a lot of places. Most of the Western U.S. big cities (West of Mississippi River) have worse female-male ratios than the Eastern U.S. big cities. Atlanta has some the best ratios out there. Ratios matter to a point.

I'll agree on Italian-Americans being image oriented.
 
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I'm 100% pureblood Italian and I'm very white skinned. It takes ages for me to get a really deep, dark tan. I can never tan as much as the darker skinned Italians. I had blonde hair as a baby, dark brown now. Green eyes.

I almost exclusively attract pale women, blondes especially. Tanned women are rarely attracted to me.
That is very unheard of in your situation. I find, especially amongst Mediterranean women that are darker, that blond worship is off the maps. I find this true for women from the Balkans as well. You'll all too often see a stunning tanned skin dark-haired girl with a pasty troll with blond hair. My theory is that these white races are seen as less white compared to a Northern European so the darker skinned women from these backgrounds go for the whitest guy they can find.

What's odd is that I have seen a lot more Italian women and even Italian descent women in the US who are blondes or look white as snow go for darker skinned dudes. Even look at this thread to see @In2theGame and his conquests, including the blonde cougar that will have you stroking for weeks on end, all were whiter looking Italian women as opposed to the more tanned types.

It is rare to see a stunning tanned skin brunette going interracial but you see hot blondes, gingers, and occasionally even a pasty pale brunette with light eyes dating minorities and darker skinned guys all the time.

My theory is that the darker a white woman is, the more she has to prove and the more likely she is to avoid minorities if she is hot.
 

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The most chill Italian women you meet will look white as snow, could easily be mistaken for German or Scandinavian. A lot of these women are aggressively chased after by their men and get the finest of the bunch. The darker Italian women who can pass for Latina or Arab envy them immensely. Now on the flip side, as has been said many times, the most mentally sick, sociopathic, manipulative and toxic Italian women you will meet are ones that can be mistaken for Persians or Arabs.

I think deep down inside, they just know that no matter what they do or how they act, they will always be inferior to the blonde haired princess or the pale girl so they act in these sorts of toxic ways. To overcompensate for their darkness, they go for the whitest looking guys, a household favorite is a Machine Gun Kelly or Logan Paul lookalike. If you are not white, don't even try with these types.

Just comes to show you how self-hatred and insecurity mixed in with a narcissistic and image-heavy culture can create such toxic beings.
 

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The most chill Italian women you meet will look white as snow, could easily be mistaken for German or Scandinavian. A lot of these women are aggressively chased after by their men and get the finest of the bunch. The darker Italian women who can pass for Latina or Arab envy them immensely. Now on the flip side, as has been said many times, the most mentally sick, sociopathic, manipulative and toxic Italian women you will meet are ones that can be mistaken for Persians or Arabs.

I think deep down inside, they just know that no matter what they do or how they act, they will always be inferior to the blonde haired princess or the pale girl so they act in these sorts of toxic ways. To overcompensate for their darkness, they go for the whitest looking guys, a household favorite is a Machine Gun Kelly or Logan Paul lookalike. If you are not white, don't even try with these types.

Just comes to show you how self-hatred and insecurity mixed in with a narcissistic and image-heavy culture can create such toxic beings.
That's a sickness! Why couldn't they just love to appreciate their additional melanin and darker complection? For 100's of years in the men realm, women appreciated a man "tall, dark and handsome".
 

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Mediterranean and Latina women have a very love-hate relationship with whiteness. On one hand, they absolutely hate and envy blonde women. I even used to hook up with a blonde haired Italian chick who on a couple cases had the Latina looking Italian chicks be very nasty to her, even spreading false rumors. The highest status Italian men and ones who make it chase blonde women almost exclusively as well from what I have found.

Then on the flipside, Mediterranean and Latina women absolutely love blond men and a lot of it does not even come from genuine attraction in most cases. In a lot of cases, it comes from wanting to climb a social ladder, get back at their own men by cucking them, and find their status trophy.

When you have a culture built on narcissism, a high amount of image, importance on appearances, and one that prides itself on being "romance" experts; that is kind of what happens. It is all rooted in pettiness and trying to one-up someone else, in this case women one-upping men. In most Mediterranean and Latina women, there is a great deal of envy for blonde women but a love and obsession with blonde men due to their own insecurity of being undesirable by their own men.

Even most Med men do not get much play from their own women hence why they flood into Poland and EE.
 

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Mediterranean and Latina women have a very love-hate relationship with whiteness. On one hand, they absolutely hate and envy blonde women. I even used to hook up with a blonde haired Italian chick who on a couple cases had the Latina looking Italian chicks be very nasty to her, even spreading false rumors. The highest status Italian men and ones who make it chase blonde women almost exclusively as well from what I have found.

Then on the flipside, Mediterranean and Latina women absolutely love blond men and a lot of it does not even come from genuine attraction in most cases. In a lot of cases, it comes from wanting to climb a social ladder, get back at their own men by cucking them, and find their status trophy.

When you have a culture built on narcissism, a high amount of image, importance on appearances, and one that prides itself on being "romance" experts; that is kind of what happens. It is all rooted in pettiness and trying to one-up someone else, in this case women one-upping men. In most Mediterranean and Latina women, there is a great deal of envy for blonde women but a love and obsession with blonde men due to their own insecurity of being undesirable by their own men.

Even most Med men do not get much play from their own women hence why they flood into Poland and EE.
Sickness. But you describe the reasons for the various dysfunction.
 

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As far as I’ve read I think TAKEN women should be on the list.

not only might you get yourself murdered by a crazy husband or BF but it’s almost always some sort of drama you don’t want.
Taken women should not be on the list. However, you have to realize what's you're getting into.

A lot of times women monkey branch from one man to another. You're meeting them while taken and they are unhappy. They are look to exit, you are the reason. If you eventually get into an LTR with them, they'll do that to you.

If casual sex is a goal, some women in meh relationships/marriages can be banged.

There can be drama. There is somewhat of an art to seducing married or non-married but attached women.
 

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Taken women should not be on the list. However, you have to realize what's you're getting into.

A lot of times women monkey branch from one man to another. You're meeting them while taken and they are unhappy. They are look to exit, you are the reason. If you eventually get into an LTR with them, they'll do that to you.

If casual sex is a goal, some women in meh relationships/marriages can be banged.

There can be drama. There is somewhat of an art to seducing married or non-married but attached women.
Oh they can be banged for sure. But if you think an Italian woman is crazy wait until you meet her husband!
 
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This thread has kind of dumped on Italians a bit but tbh, the few experiences I've had with the ones from Italy were great and I've even known some legit cool ones from west coast states and such. Now what OP might have been on about are the particular East Coast types from Long Island and such who are middle class, suburban, and tend to fit a certain archetype. New money rich, plastic culture, arrogant rude women, combative men looking for trouble, sleazy dudes who you cannot trust around women (like legitimate borderline rapists), and pent up anger like none other.

Now I am all too familiar with the type, the arrogant stuck up women and yeah, men who are some massive psychopaths. It all comes down to the fact that these guys were not viewed in the same light as the WASPs or even the Irish many decades ago. Now while that kind of racism sort of died down and turned more towards everyone hating minorities and Muslims, the inferiority complex is still kind of there.

A lot of the women prefer the blond haired Conor McGregor or Machine Gun Kelly (rapper) lookalike badboy if they are looking for a fling and the Tom Brady or Chris Hemsworth type of clean cut dude for an LTR, even over their own men. The men themselves know this deep down so they get really sour and overcompensate by being more douchey, aggressive, loud, combative, predatory, and yeah even racist. This is exclusively a Long Island/Jersey thing, even Italians in Brooklyn and Queens are chill.

The only reason it is really bad with Italians is because the culture values image, perception, and social ladder climbing so they overcompensate more. TBH though, the women and people in those areas kinda suck, they are the butt of a lot of jokes. The true elite of NYC tend to grow up in Manhattan itself or in Connecticut/New England states, often they are Jewish or WASP.

Deep down, the people in Long Island and other areas know it, hence why they tend to be extra douchey, rude, combative, malicious, narcissistic and yeah even racist.
 

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Oh they can be banged for sure. But if you think an Italian woman is crazy wait until you meet her husband!
I have no way to assess how many guys are banging attached and/or married women. I think almost every guy has to be open to the possibility of doing so because of women's propensity to monkey branch when looking for their next relationship and the surplus of men in the key age cohorts.

This thread has kind of dumped on Italians a bit
I actually don't understand this at all. As an adult, I've lived in areas that are not known for having an Italian-American presence. Outside of the Northeast U.S. and Chicago, Italian-Americans have little cultural influence.

The true elite of NYC tend to grow up in Manhattan itself or in Connecticut/New England states, often they are Jewish or WASP.
Yes. I'm actually surprised that no one is talking about Jewish women, who have the Jewish-American Princess stereotype attached. WASP women are too large of a group and often too bland to categorize.
 
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Jewish women are cool AF from my experience, even JAPs are relatively down to earth when you compare them to an Italian American woman growing up in the same vicinity. I have also found that some Jewish women are out of this world hot and also really fun, they are not nearly as prudish as stereotypes make them out to be. The reason we might not have talked as much about them on this thread is because media and common society already dumps on them here and there while Italian American women (and Italian Americans) are largely spared.

In other words, Jewish women aren’t even half as bad as their Italian American sisters and whatever traits they get associated with (stuck up, rude, etc.) are amplified in Italian American women. Now this is strictly speaking from an East Coast perspective though.
 

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Jewish women are cool AF from my experience, even JAPs are relatively down to earth when you compare them to an Italian American woman growing up in the same vicinity. I have also found that some Jewish women are out of this world hot and also really fun, they are not nearly as prudish as stereotypes make them out to be. The reason we might not have talked as much about them on this thread is because media and common society already dumps on them here and there while Italian American women (and Italian Americans) are largely spared.

In other words, Jewish women aren’t even half as bad as their Italian American sisters and whatever traits they get associated with (stuck up, rude, etc.) are amplified in Italian American women. Now this is strictly speaking from an East Coast perspective though.
Evaluating the ethnicity/ancestral national origin ancestry of American Jewish women is interesting. Jewish diaspora is wide. American Jewish women often trace their ancestry to Israel, Germany, Poland, other Eastern Euro nations (Czech Republic and Slovakia are biggies) or former USSR nations. Additionally, Jewish women who are originally from Israel and have lived in Israel are often quite different than American Jewish women.

American Jewish women are difficult to deal with in longer term relationships, and a lot of their relationships do not tend to work out. If a person were to look at Hinge/Bumble in for 28-39 year old women in any metropolitan area in the U.S. of 1 million of more people (53 of them as of 2019 Census estimates), this person will find a decent amount of Jewish women. For a multitude of reasons, Jewish women tend to stay single and unmarried later into life. Outside of the Northeast and Chicago, I observe that it is likely to be more difficult to find strongly Italian-American (more than 75% Italian ancestry) women fitting the same description used in the previous sentences.

The most common negative critiques on American Jewish women is that they are spoiled brats and that they are careerist/feminist. A lot of female lawyers are American Jews. Same with female doctors.

When I evaluate the romantic fortunes of American Jewish women, I see that the male market has spoken volumes about them. They are often considered adequate for shorter to medium term relationships. Few non-Jewish men tend to want to put a ring on it, but they are reasonably pursued by both American Jewish men and non-Jewish men.
 
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I think the career oriented feminist thing can be said about a lot of white American women in general that move to big cities, even WASP and Northern Euro descent white women. Guess it is a matter of taste but I much rather prefer a Jewish girl over an Italian. Jewish women are likely to value education and be of a more classy and sophisticated crowd. Italian American women I find are either trashy AF and hang with sketchy crowds or of an overcompensating crowd of bros/basic bishes that went to party schools and still live life like its a sorority/frat house well after college.
 

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I think the career oriented feminist thing can be said about a lot of white American women in general that move to big cities, even WASP and Northern Euro descent white women.
Yes. In the big cities outside of the U.S. Northeast and Chicago, most of the careerist/feminist women are neither American Jewish nor Italian-American. Careerist/feminist women tend to be white women more than Hispanic or East Asian. South Asian women, particularly Indian women (either born in India or U.S. born) tend to be careerist and feminist.

Guess it is a matter of taste but I much rather prefer a Jewish girl over an Italian. Jewish women are likely to value education and be of a more classy and sophisticated crowd. Italian American women I find are either trashy AF and hang with sketchy crowds or of an overcompensating crowd of bros/basic bishes that went to party schools and still live life like its a sorority/frat house well after college.
Jewish women are usually more classy. Most American Jewish women have a bachelor's degree at a minimum. A good portion of Jewish women have some sort of advanced degree.

I find that as education levels increase, femininity decreases. For me, femininity makes for a good girlfriend. I prefer to date women who have at most a BA/BS from a non-elite school.

Has anyone in this thread mentioned women with advanced degrees as ones to avoid?
 
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