Yankee.Hotel.Foxtrot
Don Juan
Yeah it's true. Women do make moves. Some have guts and can be forward if they want you bad enough. Others will be as obvious as they can be without actually putting their egos on the line.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Women make moves when they ACTUALLY like you.
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Scrumtulescence
Master Don Juan
You idiots ever think that a women's propensity to approach or hit on a man isn't so much based on her looks as it is her confidence, personality and level of desperation and/or horniness?
Some here claim hot women never approach; others claim hot women approach them all the time. My guess is some of you are smelly, or just not that attractive, or put off a "don't talk to me" vibe. Whatever it is, reasons for women hitting on guys or not isn't as black and white as some of you make it seem.
Some here claim hot women never approach; others claim hot women approach them all the time. My guess is some of you are smelly, or just not that attractive, or put off a "don't talk to me" vibe. Whatever it is, reasons for women hitting on guys or not isn't as black and white as some of you make it seem.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Scrumtulescence said:
i think u guess r using women not approachin u as an excuse for your AFCness. ur using this theory to hide ur own fear of approachin her. ur like "oh she didnt approach me, but i like her, she must not like me so i dont have a chance at all with her so ill jus give up and go home to play WOW". u'll never get chicks if i jus sit around and wait for them to approach u. the guys that did get approached r jus lucky, or extremely sexy lol
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
DJ_in_making
Master Don Juan
how's this post any different from all those thousands of "If you're hot enough you'll get approached" posts?Mystery says himself that girls "rarely" act on their attraction. So how do you know if a girl wants to approach you but is just very shy? Does that not happen in your world? There are also many girls that I hear say "If a man isn't confident enough to approach me he doesn't deserve a shot" Get serious people stop being a bltch and do your job. Or you can just sit around and wait for girls to start hitting on you.... Oh and trust me, I get approached farily often, and I still say a MAJORITY of girls that like you won't approach you!
Oh and trust me, I get approached farily often, and I still say a MAJORITY of girls that like you won't approach you!Contrary to the belief that women want guys to approach them thats half true. The ones that dont have the confidence to approach the guy are very much limited to the choice of guys that DO approach her. Which she may or may not like, or make a struggle to lie to themselves that if they give them a chance they 'might' grow to like the guy.
as a result for us guys, PU/dating is a numbers game and flaking occurs no matter how smooth you think you may be.
So back to what i was saying, as much as they like (or dont like) to be approached by guys...Women would much prefer to chase a guy they actually do like. Or at least leave an indication/opening to the guy that they are open to dating them.
as a result for us guys, PU/dating is a numbers game and flaking occurs no matter how smooth you think you may be.
So back to what i was saying, as much as they like (or dont like) to be approached by guys...Women would much prefer to chase a guy they actually do like. Or at least leave an indication/opening to the guy that they are open to dating them.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
PeterNorthisawesome
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This is actually quite true recently I've been a mansl*t at school and wow every girl I make eye-contact with approaches me, it actually gets a little annoying cuz even the ugly ones try to pick me up but since I'm not a complete a-hole I befriend them so I get to meet their hot friends later! In rare cases girls can actually ASK YOU OUT if they REALLY WANT YOU this happened to be 5 times.
so I get to meet their hot friends later! In rare cases girls can actually ASK YOU OUT if they REALLY WANT YOU this happened to be 5 times.Irish_Guy2
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I'd like to add my own experience to the discussion.
Last June I had my first kiss and also my first lay with a woman at the age of 22. The natural conclusion I'm sure many of you will reach is that I'm goddam ugly--however, I would consider myself attractive, intelligent blah blah blah, and blame my lack of experience squarely on the fact that I'm fundamentally a social loner. Anyway, that is neither here nor there, I'm just setting the context.
So, I'm in a pub/bar with a close friend one night, after playing in a poker tournament. Also there are two other guys he knows, not very high quality, which i can clearly see in the way they keep getting brushed off by any women they approach. So these two guys try to get talking to 3 French girls, and my friend and I sort of interject and take over the conversation. Two of the girls aren't really much to look at, but the third is very cute...slim, brunette about 5'5. I can tell immediately that there's chemistry between the brunnette and myself. However, my friend is telling me about this house game he's heard of, and in the meantime the three girls have drifted off to another part of the bar...which one might interpret as a sign of disinterest.
So, we leave the bar and are walking down the street, when we get a phone call saying where this poker game is on...completely on the other side of town. We decide to go back to the bar and see if we can find the french girls again. So, we return, and see them outside smoking...we get chatting, and it's quite obvious to everyone in the group that the brunnette and I have sort of paired up even though nothing as yet had happened, apart from some hand-holding.
Anyway, we convince them to come back to my friends house for some drinks, and to play cards. So basically that's what we did till 5 in the morning. At this point I had made no explicit move whatsoever, whereas the brunnette had run her hand up my thigh whilst sitting on a couch etc. Looking back I should have done the obvious thing and tried to isolate her, bring her outside for some "fresh air", but due to my inexperience I sort of just froze. So the three girls eventually make like they're leaving...and I'm thinking to myself damn what should I do. Even when they're at the front door, I still do nothing. But , praise be to God, as two of them are leaving, the brunnette turns to me and says "I'm tired", and walks back into the house...and we both go up to one of the bedrooms. After that things took their natural course
The few things I think to be learned from this are
(1) Women can be sexually aggressive too, even if they don't make the very, very first move of actually striking up conversation
(2) Experience counts for a lot...at least in terms of confidence. When all this was happening to me my gut was basically telling me the right things, but I lacked the confidence and courage to act on that instinct.
Last June I had my first kiss and also my first lay with a woman at the age of 22. The natural conclusion I'm sure many of you will reach is that I'm goddam ugly--however, I would consider myself attractive, intelligent blah blah blah, and blame my lack of experience squarely on the fact that I'm fundamentally a social loner. Anyway, that is neither here nor there, I'm just setting the context.
So, I'm in a pub/bar with a close friend one night, after playing in a poker tournament. Also there are two other guys he knows, not very high quality, which i can clearly see in the way they keep getting brushed off by any women they approach. So these two guys try to get talking to 3 French girls, and my friend and I sort of interject and take over the conversation. Two of the girls aren't really much to look at, but the third is very cute...slim, brunette about 5'5. I can tell immediately that there's chemistry between the brunnette and myself. However, my friend is telling me about this house game he's heard of, and in the meantime the three girls have drifted off to another part of the bar...which one might interpret as a sign of disinterest.
So, we leave the bar and are walking down the street, when we get a phone call saying where this poker game is on...completely on the other side of town. We decide to go back to the bar and see if we can find the french girls again. So, we return, and see them outside smoking...we get chatting, and it's quite obvious to everyone in the group that the brunnette and I have sort of paired up even though nothing as yet had happened, apart from some hand-holding.
Anyway, we convince them to come back to my friends house for some drinks, and to play cards. So basically that's what we did till 5 in the morning. At this point I had made no explicit move whatsoever, whereas the brunnette had run her hand up my thigh whilst sitting on a couch etc. Looking back I should have done the obvious thing and tried to isolate her, bring her outside for some "fresh air", but due to my inexperience I sort of just froze. So the three girls eventually make like they're leaving...and I'm thinking to myself damn what should I do. Even when they're at the front door, I still do nothing. But , praise be to God, as two of them are leaving, the brunnette turns to me and says "I'm tired", and walks back into the house...and we both go up to one of the bedrooms. After that things took their natural course
The few things I think to be learned from this are
(1) Women can be sexually aggressive too, even if they don't make the very, very first move of actually striking up conversation
(2) Experience counts for a lot...at least in terms of confidence. When all this was happening to me my gut was basically telling me the right things, but I lacked the confidence and courage to act on that instinct.