Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
As the man, I'm expected to risk rejection and approach her, get her number, and invite her on a date.timmylivingalie said:What if the chick is insisting on going to dinner?
a good rule that unfortunately is rarely followed by men.no dinner til she's sleeps with you
This is actually true. When an event is broadcasted in the mass media frequency of an event goes through the roof, including negative behaviors such as those in my Prooff283000 said:Because of this story I wouldn't be surprised if online dating gets a big boost. As in women on POF and other dating sites agreeing to go on dates more and more just for the meal with no intention of talking to the guy they went out with after the date is over. I'm sure it already happens now but to a lesser extent.
It means she's using you for a free dinner and you'll never see her again. An AFC and his money will soon be parted.timmylivingalie said:What if the chick is insisting on going to dinner?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Thats because my male buddy is a "friend". A woman who you have just met and are taking out to dinner is not a friend...jafyk said:Can you guys give an honest answer to my question? Are there any of you who have chilled with a male buddy and paid for his drink? Sure some of you have right? So, to the poster saying hanging out with a woman as a friend bla bla bla...what's wrong if you choose to pay for her drink?
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I have some women friends that need help with their rent payment. Would you like to help them out since spending money on females makes you feel like such a man? LOL :flowers:jafyk said:Sometimes paying for the woman makes me feel like the man you know?
There is one big difference jafyk...when we give money to a male friend we are not trying to fvck him.jafyk said:Can you guys give an honest answer to my question? Are there any of you who have chilled with a male buddy and paid for his drink? Sure some of you have right? So, to the poster saying hanging out with a woman as a friend bla bla bla...what's wrong if you choose to pay for her drink?
J Roc said:Thats because my male buddy is a "friend". A woman who you have just met and are taking out to dinner is not a friend...
I have some women friends that need help with their rent payment. Would you like to help them out since spending money on females makes you feel like such a man? LOL :flowers:
"After spending lavishly, "You'd think a guy would try to kiss you or get something back," she said. "I have yet to hold hands or let someone put their arm around me.""jafyk said:Who knows maybe this girl sleeps with some of her dates. You can't say she doesn't have a sexual need as well.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
honest answer, yes. I'll buy friends anything, but its usually under the premise that ' I got this time, you get next'. I've done this with friends who are struggling financially too.jafyk said:Can you guys give an honest answer to my question? Are there any of you who have chilled with a male buddy and paid for his drink? Sure some of you have right? So, to the poster saying hanging out with a woman as a friend bla bla bla...what's wrong if you choose to pay for her drink?
Agreed. Paying for a beer or 3 amounts to what? $15 bucks? I can live with that.Espi said:In my opinion, there's nothing wrong whatsoever with paying for a drink or two.
The man is expected to pay--right or wrong, it's just the way it is. Many women latch on to this concept and play the traditional card--even though they're no longer adhering to traditional feminine values. it's just another way that women can manipulate men. It's a power thing.
Just man the fvuck up and pay for the drink(s).
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.