Women Expect the world and offer jack s*it in return – a warning to all AFC’s

[JaegerPilot217]

It decreases but at a very slow rate, especially in the 30's.

As for masculine and manly, it isn't just about muscles. Women like older men, it is just how they are programmed. I think a lot of it has to do with status, success, dominance, confidence and experience. When you are a confident older man, younger girls can find it very intimidating, and they succumb to your frame much easier.

I am almost 40, and I get a LOT more attention now than I ever received even at 30. To be fair, I look about 6-7 years less than my age. I mentioned a few times about a 22 yo (now 23) who keeps chasing me. Well, lately I have two others sniffing around a lot. One is 38 and still attractive, but she wasn't nearly as interested in me ten years ago as she is now, and another is 24 who is probing and showing signs of interest.

Keep improving men, it will change. Just don't give it all away at the first girl who wants a piece of you, this is the biggest mistake men make as their market value starts to rise.





Agreed. I am 36 and my girl is 27. Although I do look about 30 in my face and body, but I do have the George Clooney grey hair thing going on, have for years and the girls love it. Seriously. I have 3 sisters and they wont let me color it because they know it pulls me girls ha. My girl loves it, I dont know why honestly, I dont like the grey in my head but in my beard it looks kinda cool.

anyways I agree with the mature man, established and dominance vibe.
I pull girls all the time now with ease. I always had a gf, but the last few years has just been ridiculous with pulling women. I just carry myself with so much more confidence and conviction.

The best way to carry yourself, and I came up with this after my dad passed away, was to carry myself as if my dad was watching me. Would he want to see me as a timid weak *****, or a strong confident man taking care of business....

I would say majority-wise, the guys who are successful with women in their 30's and 40's, were guys that were successful with women in their teens or just successful in their 20's with women

 

[JaegerPilot217]

I can't disagree with that at all. While I hit a dry-spell from 22-25 or so, prior to then I was wildly successful, from 17 to 21.

However I wasn't wildly successful again until about 29-30, although I was able to get laid between 25-29.

Environment matters of course, I was still very busy working rather than partying so I wasn't in the limelight much to attract women like I was from 17-21.


The difference between me now and 17-21 is that now I get glances and attention even from women I haven't met yet. Whereas from 17-21, I did get it, but the real IOI's didn't come until after I had known them for a month or so.

Ya would love more input on this but ya since testosterone is the hormone for masculinity then I wonder why older men are deemed more masculine despite decreasing testosterone because they say women can instinctively naturally sense and smell high levels of testosterone in men

 

[JaegerPilot217]

what about in your forties and fifties? because it is definitely not unheard of for guys in their forties and fifties to be dating and hooking up with women in their 20s

 

[Bokanovsky]

Social media is part of the problem but it's not the root cause of the problem. The root cause is attention. Women now simply get too much of it. In a nightclub environment, an average-looking girl will get hit on probably 10-20 times per night. Add to that all the likes she gets on facebook, followers on instagram and tweeter, guys messaging her on tinder and dating sites...it's an attention overdose. No wonder average women think act like they are movie stars...the amount of attention they receive was previously reserved for celebrities.

but some serious sh*t is going to explode soon when AFC guys start killing people cos they can't get pussvy or even an ounce of attention in the clubs

No need to shoot anyone...there is a "peaceful solution" to this crisis. Stop "liking", "following" and in general showering women with attention. Think of it as imposing "attention sanctions". In addition, men who do that sh!t need to be seriously ridiculed and made fun of.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

Social media is part of the problem but it's not the root cause of the problem. The root cause is attention. Women now simply get too much of it. In a nightclub environment, an average-looking girl will get hit on probably 10-20 times per night. Add to that all the likes she gets on facebook, followers on instagram and tweeter, guys messaging her on tinder and dating sites...it's an attention overdose. No wonder average women think act like they are movie stars...the amount of attention they receive was previously reserved for celebrities.


No need to shoot anyone...there is a "peaceful solution" to this crisis. Stop "liking", "following" and in general showering women with attention. Think of it as imposing "attention sanctions". In addition, men who do that sh!t need to be seriously ridiculed and made fun of.

Sadly Elliot Rodger and George Sodini were examples

 

[Bingo-Player]

I went through a hell of a dry spell in my early 20's. From about 22 to 25. I spent most of that time working, but even on the few times I would ask girls out, they were not even close to interested.

I wasn't ugly, I wasn't poor, but that was probably my most blue-pill time ever. Why? Because I wasn't dominant, clearly confident, and I actually thought they would want a nice guy.

Since women were my second choice at that time anyways, I didn't let it bother me much. I went back to my dreams and as time went on there were some girls interested in me, but I mainly wasn't into them. 5's and 6's for the most part.

The point I am trying to make is, at 22, it can be very hard to hook-up with women if you do not have tight game or are in the top 10%. Remember these girls are at their sexual market peak, and they don't want any man who is not at the top. This is the prime alpha-pump stage, and sorry to say, you are not in on it.

The best you can do is to keep improving yourself, and eventually you will get them. But of course, don't forget that as you hit 30 and over and start to hold all of the cards, never, ever, give them away and marry a girl of similar age (or probably at all really). Why? Because at 30, she almost certainly was a h0r during her journey to that age, and she is likely only using you for provider material.

When you reach your sexual market peak, exploit the fvk out of it, just like they did at 22.

yea this is good , and also fills a few pieces of the puzzle in :yes:

strangely last year at 21 i was at my most sexually active ever banging six chicks in a month was a personal best and i felt literally unstoppable

however this year seems to have become difficult I've banged 3 girls this year kissed about 30 and fingered a few but overall a very disappointing year for the books

i haven't changed my game if anything I've become TOO unavailable,I've weeded out a whole army of low quality women in my life and I've become virtually one with the gym

but I've felt all of this has been necessary in order to increase my value and expand my game

good luck fellas

p.s

danger - did you ever get married !?!

 

[JaegerPilot217]

I'm not in my 40's or 50's yet (although my friends would all say close enough to 40), so I can't speak from experience. Even if I could, I would have to add the caveat at how young I look.

One thing about being young, it is very noticeable that women go for the more muscular athletic guys, which is why the focus on "masculine". What you don't see are how many are going for older guys, but it is there.

I guess that menas men have the last laugh, lol

 

[JaegerPilot217]

Men age like wine, women age like milk how accurate is it?

 

[The_411]

The reason it gets better for men is that a man around 40 knows himself he's been around enough and has seen most everything so he's able to cut the BS and doesn't need to pose. He figures either you're in or out. Don't have time for maybe or possibly.

Of course there's always the father angle for some women.

Bottom line is that maturity becomes an extremely attractive quality for women because there's confidence in self-identity.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

The reason it gets better for men is that a man around 40 knows himself he's been around enough and has seen most everything so he's able to cut the BS and doesn't need to pose. He figures either you're in or out. Don't have time for maybe or possibly.

Of course there's always the father angle for some women.

Bottom line is that maturity becomes an extremely attractive quality for women because there's confidence in self-identity.

How common is it for men in their late 30's and 40's to have girlfriends in their 20's?

 

[The_411]

How common is it for men in their late 30's and 40's to have girlfriends in their 20's?

That's sort of a difficult question to answer. I would guess it it is uncommon but not some mythical unicorn. Problem is we don't know how many men settle for women near their age due to shaming, social pressure ease of access. Let's face it most people in late 30s set usually have social circles of people in their late 30s so by default you'll have interactions with people in their 30s.


I'm fine with women in their early 30s if they are take care of themselves and are youthful looking. I think the age thing becomes an issue if you make it an issue.

The key is finding a girl who fits your values and age isn't an issue because you are at the same level. I'm not suggesting 21 year old will likely provide a suitable relationship, but I would safely suggest that you could have a relationship with someone who is 25-28.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

That's sort of a difficult question to answer. I would guess it it is uncommon but not some mythical unicorn. Problem is we don't know how many men settle for women near their age due to shaming, social pressure ease of access. Let's face it most people in late 30s set usually have social circles of people in their late 30s so by default you'll have interactions with people in their 30s.


I'm fine with women in their early 30s if they are take care of themselves and are youthful looking. I think the age thing becomes an issue if you make it an issue.

The key is finding a girl who fits your values and age isn't an issue because you are at the same level. I'm not suggesting 21 year old will likely provide a suitable relationship, but I would safely suggest that you could have a relationship with someone who is 25-28.

Oh OK, how about early 30's? Instead of late 30's, is it common for guys in their early 30's to have girlfriends in their early 20's?

 

[The_411]

Oh OK, how about early 30's? Instead of late 30's, is it common for guys in their early 30's to have girlfriends in their early 20's?

All relative really. It depends how old/young you look for your age, your ability to relate to people of a different age. I'd say that most couple tend to stick within a few years of their age.

A guy at 32 can certainly have a girlfriend of 22, you might not see it all that much, but then again it's not always easy to tell how old certain people are ... and it also depends where you live.

That being said women in their early 20s are difficult bunch. They are whimsical, flaky, moody, etc.

The other issue is getting to venues were you can interact with women in their early 20s in sexual state. The key is to be able to interact without coming off as creepy old guy.

To wit you may find that a 22 year old while nubile and great to look could be completely useless beyond sex socializing. She might be more interested in texting going to da club to be seen, and any other activity that would be classified as vapid.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

All relative really. It depends how old/young you look for your age, your ability to relate to people of a different age. I'd say that most couple tend to stick within a few years of their age.

A guy at 32 can certainly have a girlfriend of 22, you might not see it all that much, but then again it's not always easy to tell how old certain people are ... and it also depends where you live.

That being said women in their early 20s are difficult bunch. They are whimsical, flaky, moody, etc.

The other issue is getting to venues were you can interact with women in their early 20s in sexual state. The key is to be able to interact without coming off as creepy old guy.

To wit you may find that a 22 year old while nubile and great to look could be completely useless beyond sex socializing. She might be more interested in texting going to da club to be seen, and any other activity that would be classified as vapid.

Sounds like in a way it does get harder for men as they get older to attract young women in their 20's, but at the same time people say the opposite

 

[JaegerPilot217]

I am 39 and I have a girl who just turned 23 a couple of weeks ago BEGGING me to dump my girl for her. I have two more which are recent that are chasing, one of which is in her 20's.

It has not gotten harder for me, but has gotten easier. You just have to have the right inner and outer game to do it.

Very glad to hear that, inspiring