Women Expect the world and offer jack s*it in return – a warning to all AFC’s

[asa_don]

You are either too dumb to understand my points or are trying to be a troll, and I don't really care either way.

you're the one who is too damn dumb to understand because you refuse to believe that high value people want equal value in return.

you call me a troll for telling it like is, that's funny :crackup:

you insist on making blanket assumptions that not everyone will agree with you on.

i'm not making any blanket assumptions, i'm telling it like it is, you are too wet behind the ears to know any better.

i don't care if people agree with me, if they want to live in fantasy like you are, then go ahead.

1. Looks are important to women, just as they are to men.

yes, that's what i've been saying all along

2. Looks make you high-value, but a LOT of things make you high-value as well.

correct, i've already said this, you just can't read what i wrote for some reason.

money and status will make you high value even without the looks, those guys can still obtain hot women, if you're ugly with no money or no power you are sh!t out of luck trying to get a really hot woman.

some chubby guy working in a cubicle pushing papers from 9-5 is not high value, he won't attract 7's, 8's, or 9's like you are trying to claim.

the chubby guy like a lot of guys, hasn't done anything in life to improve himself, they only want to whine and complain about their misfortunes with women, if you do nothing, you can expect nothing.

this is what i have been saying, you refuse to believe it, it's not that hard to man.

3. If you have the other things that make you high-value, you can lack looks and still get "high-value" women, because you bring value to their life.

yes, but most high value women want the whole package, not just one part of it, they want the looks, status, and money, if you are lacking in one of those areas you will probaby get rejected for someone that has all of them.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

you're the one who is too damn dumb to understand because you refuse to believe that high value people want equal value in return.

you call me a troll for telling it like is, that's funny :crackup:



i'm not making any blanket assumptions, i'm telling it like it is, you are too wet behind the ears to know any better.

i don't care if people agree with me, if they want to live in fantasy like you are, then go ahead.




yes, that's what i've been saying all along



correct, i've already said this, you just can't read what i wrote for some reason.

money and status will make you high value even without the looks, those guys can still obtain hot women, if you're ugly with no money or no power you are sh!t out of luck trying to get a really hot woman.

some chubby guy working in a cubicle pushing papers from 9-5 is not high value, he won't attract 7's, 8's, or 9's like you are trying to claim.

the chubby guy like a lot of guys, hasn't done anything in life to improve himself, they only want to whine and complain about their misfortunes with women, if you do nothing, you can expect nothing.

this is what i have been saying, you refuse to believe it, it's not that hard to man.



yes, but most high value women want the whole package, not just one part of it, they want the looks, status, and money, if you are lacking in one of those areas you will probaby get rejected for someone that has all of them.

Ya women are entitled to what they want more than the other way around

 

[The_411]

Lol I feel a few of the slightly older juans are missing my points

this thread isn’t about me being self defeating it isn’t about any DJ’s , I’m stating quite obvious changes in female behaviours that I’m observing in the field and by the looks of things I’m not the only one

I’m managing to bang chicks yea because my game is on point, great but what next !?!

You can’t commit to a relationship with a woman who believes she’s a goddess and has the orbiters to back her up , it doesn’t matter what HB she is and my point is all of these chicks are starting to believe they are

Now someone posted earlier “ ive gotten to the point where i just fvck chicks and dump them” yea im at this point too i cant attach any feelings to a woman because it just isn’t worth it

whether you like it or not the fact is the game is currently losing the race with women it needs to revolutionise again like it did 10 – 15 years ago

Bingo, you are certainly correct. The key still comes down to frame and from the sound of it you're understanding that these women aren't relationship material and that's all you can do with the material you are working with.


The only to find a girl with a good head on her shoulders is to do events where these type of women are ... the hard charitable work. Don't get me wrong you shouldn't do charity work to pick up women but if you want to help people out a side benefit is that you more likely to meet a woman who isn't social media obsessed because most of the social media obsessed woman can't put down their mobile device longer enough to help someone else.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

which is why I have no sympathy for women who are victims of rape or domestic violence, when porn star Christy Mack got assaulted and beaten by her ex-bf MMA fighter War Machine, I laughed, lol, now doesn't mean I will do that to me, it's just why should I help women, have empathy and sympathy towards when they don't owe me anything? they don't owe me anything so therefore I don't owe them anything either:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...MMA-fighter-ex-boyfriend-Jon-Koppenhaver.html

 

[narcissist]

I’m managing to bang chicks yea because my game is on point, great but what next !?!

Want to know what next?

Stop chasing women, and start chasing your fcking dreams.

You are 22. If you spend the majority of your time now chasing after stupid broads at a club scene then you'll wake up one day at the age of 35 and have NOTHING to show for your life. But if you forget about women, and trying so hard to sleep with them and start focusing on building your own life up then by the time you are 35 you will be unstoppable. Play the long term game.

You need to focus your energy into your own life, your own goals, your own dreams instead of focusing all that energy and spending all your money trying to get a ONS which is SHORT-LIVED pleasure. Its hedonism.

Forget about women. Focus on what YOUR passion is and fvcking tackle it RELENTLESSLY.

So sick and tired of young men focusing all their ambitions on women, its actually ridiculous.

 

[adam225]

“ why are there no decent men around here”

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

I love that line haha....

 

[adam225]

Want to know what next?

Stop chasing women, and start chasing your fcking dreams.

You are 22. If you spend the majority of your time now chasing after stupid broads at a club scene then you'll wake up one day at the age of 35 and have NOTHING to show for your life. But if you forget about women, and trying so hard to sleep with them and start focusing on building your own life up then by the time you are 35 you will be unstoppable. Play the long term game.

You need to focus your energy into your own life, your own goals, your own dreams instead of focusing all that energy and spending all your money trying to get a ONS which is SHORT-LIVED pleasure. Its hedonism.

Forget about women. Focus on what YOUR passion is and fvcking tackle it RELENTLESSLY.

So sick and tired of young men focusing all their ambitions on women, its actually ridiculous.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Want to know what next?

Stop chasing women, and start chasing your fcking dreams.

You are 22. If you spend the majority of your time now chasing after stupid broads at a club scene then you'll wake up one day at the age of 35 and have NOTHING to show for your life. But if you forget about women, and trying so hard to sleep with them and start focusing on building your own life up then by the time you are 35 you will be unstoppable. Play the long term game.

You need to focus your energy into your own life, your own goals, your own dreams instead of focusing all that energy and spending all your money trying to get a ONS which is SHORT-LIVED pleasure. Its hedonism.

Forget about women. Focus on what YOUR passion is and fvcking tackle it RELENTLESSLY.

So sick and tired of young men focusing all their ambitions on women, its actually ridiculous.

i would completely agree with your post if it was posted on anywhere other than So Suave lol

but this is a forum thats dedicated to teaching men how pick up women and to be fair i am only addressing key issues that seem to be spreading like a virus in the field

We are a community not a bunch of gun hoe individuals that do whatever the fvck they like , we have Clearly established so many things that work with women and so many things that don’t

this wouldn’t be possible if everyone was just focusing on bettering themselves and not helping one another

Anyway aside from that point - your post is of course correct and something I’ve been trying to do for the last year or so the problem is at 22 its difficult to see life past the club scene and past women with so little life experience available to you

I am trying to change my mentality and so suave has helped leaps and bounds this year but its a long process and i am only on the start of my journey

 

[JNil]

This is actually funny because me and my cousin talk about the fact we like the complete opposite type of women, I find women who are tatted up, with tons of piercings, gauges, obscure odd looks, skinny and petite. Where he loves curvy, clean, model looking women that are flawless. There has been times where I have found the women he has considered them dimes extremely low on my scale and vice versa. Its personal preference.

As with the social media thing, yes it has ruined majority of society, people have lost there individuality(men included), to the extent all they know is the social life and I find my self being quiet bored on dates. If they are intelligent I find my self turning into an AFC because I get so excited like a little kid.

 

[Evan]

i would completely agree with your post if it was posted on anywhere other than So Suave lol

but this is a forum thats dedicated to teaching men how pick up women and to be fair i am only addressing key issues that seem to be spreading like a virus in the field

We are a community not a bunch of gun hoe individuals that do whatever the fvck they like , we have Clearly established so many things that work with women and so many things that don’t

this wouldn’t be possible if everyone was just focusing on bettering themselves and not helping one another

Anyway aside from that point - your post is of course correct and something I’ve been trying to do for the last year or so the problem is at 22 its difficult to see life past the club scene and past women with so little life experience available to you

I am trying to change my mentality and so suave has helped leaps and bounds this year but its a long process and i am only on the start of my journey

I'm glad that you see his point is spot on. I think if you read more and more of so suave or learn from guys who are good with women you will find what he said to be even more true.

It's no coincidence that women are attracted to men who simply don't give a **** about what they think and do what they want to do. Men who are women driven end up getting ditched by women who leave them for men who will use them for their sexual needs and will only keep them around if they treat them with respect and fit their criteria. Men who are women driven are settling for any women who give them the validation they crave. If they are lucky to get sex from them they will try like hell to keep them around. Only to lose them because they care so much.

However what these men who don't give a **** what women think will still approach women and will **** them because they have sexual needs and know that women are sexual creatures too. It's natural. No amount of social media will change that. These men just know where to look and how to act when they find a women who is mutually attracted. They know it's more important to be physical than verbal with a women if you want sex. They know eye contact and kino is the best weapons a man has when a women is engaged in conversation with him. There is no convincing a women to do anything. It's simply making her feel comfortable to do it with him. Giving her space to want to act on her sexual attraction.

What most men do is they are distracted by her and the validation they could get from her. They don't want to ruin attraction. They don't want the women to disapprove of him. They will try to convince her to like him. So he talks about himself and tries to qualify himself or will "run game."

But the man who gets the most women doesn't care. He is only looking for a women who can give him what he wants the rest simply don't matter. If one doesn't want to there is another one who will. Especially if he has his **** together and values himself more than the opinion of another women.

 

[Alvafe]

i'm the only one who thinks, saying a woman is high quality based on looks only a problem?

saying a HB 9 will only date a guy with status, money and looks is wrong? no
but saying a HB 9 is high quality jsut because her looks? now that is a problem how many good looking woman we do know and we would like or did bang then, but know anything other then that she is not worth?
the diference is what we are supose to learn (at least its what I belive so), is screen woman by not only looks but also personality, or all our talks about red flags are just for nothing?

the venue with you get to know woman shouldn't matter, but how to deal with it is, I'm all for meeting new people in places with you feel confortable in going, going to a club just to get to know woman wouldn't works as well as a day aproach, same way a day aproach couldn't work as well as in a club for the reason you ahve to choose the best way you deal and what you like the most if you like all that night life thing good for you do so, if not try what you like

 

[The_411]

i would completely agree with your post if it was posted on anywhere other than So Suave lol

but this is a forum thats dedicated to teaching men how pick up women and to be fair i am only addressing key issues that seem to be spreading like a virus in the field

We are a community not a bunch of gun hoe individuals that do whatever the fvck they like , we have Clearly established so many things that work with women and so many things that don’t

this wouldn’t be possible if everyone was just focusing on bettering themselves and not helping one another

Anyway aside from that point - your post is of course correct and something I’ve been trying to do for the last year or so the problem is at 22 its difficult to see life past the club scene and past women with so little life experience available to you

I am trying to change my mentality and so suave has helped leaps and bounds this year but its a long process and i am only on the start of my journey

The emphasis may be on picking up women but the context is different for everyone.

Engaging in discussion in theory should be an exercise that is bettering you. I come here to get ideas and to be forced to think critically not just about getting women, but also think critically about the bigger existential question of what is the point of life in general and more specifically for me.

At your age, 22, the best thing a man can do to further is marketability is focus on career goals and make that #1. Being fit, dressing well, socializing are huge parts of advancing in a career and it's often the guy who gives the best impression rather than the most qualified candidate that gets the position or the promotion.

The side benefit of doing all of this work for your career is that women will notice your ambition and confidence and they will be more attracted to you in general.

Lots of guys come for the quick fix and you can use various "tactics" but unless you develop your internal game you won't be equipped for a relationship and you'll also be needy because you don't have all of the other life aspects taken care of ...

 

[asa_don]

i'm the only one who thinks, saying a woman is high quality based on looks only a problem?

are you saying that a 2 is a high quality woman just because she is a good person?

high value people want quality man, they base it on looks only, that is the quality that they want, grade a fresh hot pvssy, then they go from there with the rest of their attributes, looks like you have no experience dating beautiful women.

saying a HB 9 will only date a guy with status, money and looks is wrong?

how many high status 9's do you know of dating the average chubby joe? do you think one of the most beautiful women on the planet is going to settle for some dude working in a greasy oil pit with nothing to offer her?

no

:crackup:

then why aren't you dating a 9 with super high status?

but saying a HB 9 is high quality jsut because her looks?

high value people rate quality as high quality just as an expensive car or a home.

of course a 9 is high quality, it's the best quality you can get, why would you think she wouldn't be? whether she is a quality person or not is a different story.

now that is a problem how many good looking woman we do know and we would like or did bang then, but know anything other then that she is not worth?
the diference is what we are supose to learn (at least its what I belive so), is screen woman by not only looks but also personality, or all our talks about red flags are just for nothing?

why would you screen for red flags when you're just fvcking her for one night? i want quality in looks, i'm not dating her for a relationship.

women in any looks range might not be their "worth", any woman can lie, cheat, steal, fvck you over, treat you like sh!t, doesn't matter how they look, any one woman is capable of that, that's why you go on looks for high quality.

look at all these guys who say they have a "high quality woman", once she cheats on them she is a b!tch or a wh0re, no longer a "high quality" woman in their eyes.

that's why you go on looks for your quality.

the venue with you get to know woman shouldn't matter, but how to deal with it is, I'm all for meeting new people in places with you feel confortable in going, going to a club just to get to know woman wouldn't works as well as a day aproach, same way a day aproach couldn't work as well as in a club for the reason you ahve to choose the best way you deal and what you like the most if you like all that night life thing good for you do so, if not try what you like

yes it should matter, when you are at an exclusive event, club, country club with beautiful women they look down upon men who are not up to their standards in looks, wealth, status.

a beautiful 9 who is making a high 6 figure base salary is not going to date some dude making $40,000, he has nothing to offer her to support her rich high society life style.

you guys think she is going to date some average dude in looks and income? :crackup:

those people all stick together in their cliques, they don't date out of their league in looks or down the economic ladder.

 

[mrRuckus]

You are 22. If you spend the majority of your time now chasing after stupid broads at a club scene then you'll wake up one day at the age of 35 and have NOTHING to show for your life.

You don't know what you're talking about. Being successful doesn't take that much investment unless you're crazy about it starting some business or something. Or stupid.

I wish I sexed more 20 year olds and studied less. You have your entire life to be mr. going to work, but a small window to fvck teenagers.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

You don't know what you're talking about. Being successful doesn't take that much investment unless you're crazy about it starting some business or something. Or stupid.

I wish I sexed more 20 year olds and studied less. You have your entire life to be mr. going to work, but a small window to fvck teenagers.

Yup we are only young once

 

[No.Danny]

“ why are there no decent men around here”

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

I love that line haha....

Cause you're a slut *****

 

[JaegerPilot217]

I went through a hell of a dry spell in my early 20's. From about 22 to 25. I spent most of that time working, but even on the few times I would ask girls out, they were not even close to interested.

I wasn't ugly, I wasn't poor, but that was probably my most blue-pill time ever. Why? Because I wasn't dominant, clearly confident, and I actually thought they would want a nice guy.

Since women were my second choice at that time anyways, I didn't let it bother me much. I went back to my dreams and as time went on there were some girls interested in me, but I mainly wasn't into them. 5's and 6's for the most part.

The point I am trying to make is, at 22, it can be very hard to hook-up with women if you do not have tight game or are in the top 10%. Remember these girls are at their sexual market peak, and they don't want any man who is not at the top. This is the prime alpha-pump stage, and sorry to say, you are not in on it.

The best you can do is to keep improving yourself, and eventually you will get them. But of course, don't forget that as you hit 30 and over and start to hold all of the cards, never, ever, give them away and marry a girl of similar age (or probably at all really). Why? Because at 30, she almost certainly was a h0r during her journey to that age, and she is likely only using you for provider material.

When you reach your sexual market peak, exploit the fvk out of it, just like they did at 22.

This is interesting to hear but what I'm wondering is that since a mans testosterone decreases as he ages, and women are attracted to manly, masculine guys, why are so many guys in their late 30's and even 40's able to attract and pull women in their early 20's or 20-something women? How does a mans maturity and him being well established make up for his lower testosterone levels?

 

[Solomon]

I went through a hell of a dry spell in my early 20's. From about 22 to 25. I spent most of that time working, but even on the few times I would ask girls out, they were not even close to interested.

I wasn't ugly, I wasn't poor, but that was probably my most blue-pill time ever. Why? Because I wasn't dominant, clearly confident, and I actually thought they would want a nice guy.

Since women were my second choice at that time anyways, I didn't let it bother me much. I went back to my dreams and as time went on there were some girls interested in me, but I mainly wasn't into them. 5's and 6's for the most part.

The point I am trying to make is, at 22, it can be very hard to hook-up with women if you do not have tight game or are in the top 10%. Remember these girls are at their sexual market peak, and they don't want any man who is not at the top. This is the prime alpha-pump stage, and sorry to say, you are not in on it.

The best you can do is to keep improving yourself, and eventually you will get them. But of course, don't forget that as you hit 30 and over and start to hold all of the cards, never, ever, give them away and marry a girl of similar age (or probably at all really). Why? Because at 30, she almost certainly was a h0r during her journey to that age, and she is likely only using you for provider material.

When you reach your sexual market peak, exploit the fvk out of it, just like they did at 22.

repped

+1

Self Improvement+Self-Respect+knowledge is king!

 

[johnywhite17]

I find not using social media helps this, they have no way of adding you to her collection of desperate picture-likers so she is going to consider you separately from these chumps. You can also tease her about the effort she puts into feeling validated from a website. It's all about conveying an attitude that you're not impressed without being a resentful ******* about it. Not surefire, but it works ok for me.

 

[G_Govan]

I would also add that you shouldn't limit yourself to clubs, that's what most men do. They rely on loose women and alcohol.

Approach women during the day as well, you'd be surprised at how much you can improve just making small talk to break the ice, whether or not it goes anywhere.

In other words, day game.