Women Don't Want a Semi-Successful Man

[BillyPilgrim]

LJBF.

Cool I could use an errand boy. Pick up some herb, my car could use a detail too.

 

[TheEveningChronograph]

Cool I could use an errand boy.

Sounds good, Benjamin Button.

 

[zekko]

They either want the guy that doesn’t have a pot to piss in or Warren Buffet fvck you money.

There used to be a poster here called Backbreaker, he always said women wanted the guy who didn't have any money because he was fun. He was all about fun. He didn't care about making a living, he wasn't worn down by the workaday world, he only gave a crap about having fun. That was supposedly his appeal.

I suppose he's right about that. But even though a LOT of women have unrealistic expectations about what a guy's salary should be, there are a lot of women out there who all want different things. You just need to find one who is buying what you're selling. Times are rough, but it's not impossible.

 

[inquisitor]

You're 20 and I'm 50. It's different at my age, If an older woman opens you at your age, then I agree. If a girl your age opens you, I'd be wary. What's wrong with her that she can't get someone good from her matchlist inbox?

In my case and age, I'd then say she's not desperate - simply wanting to fulfill her sexual needs. Who knows, maybe it's FOMO, or peer pressure, maybe even social conditioning and/or her own insecurities, and add to that her own preconceptions about sex and her identity.

 

[Luni]

Why is OP interacting with women in their late 20's? You're 36. Why would you date anyone beyond 25? What am I missing? This thread is about women in the danger zone, no one is surprised by their behavior.

 

[SW15]

Why is OP interacting with women in their late 20's? You're 36. Why would you date anyone beyond 25? What am I missing? This thread is about women in the danger zone, no one is surprised by their behavior.

Most men who are 35-40 are interacting with women close to their age.

When men date younger women (the most common age arrangement), the most common age difference range is 0-4 years. It doesn't matter how old the man is, this is what is likely to happen. This is why I have said many times on this forum that the typical 30s/40s man is a vagina beggar who ends up with some woman close to his own age.

Once a man turns 30, he has the option for some bigger age gaps, but the typical 30 something guy has a girlfriend/wife who is 0-4 years younger.

5-9 years becomes more impressive. A man is typically 30+ and successful when he's able to pull off this age gap. In order to get a girlfriend in a committed relationship 5-9 years older, a man needs some decent achievements in life.

10+ gets more challenging than 5-9 years. While with 5-9 years, men and women can still be in somewhat similar life stages. At 10+ years, a man is at least half a generation older than a woman and they start to want different things. Money/status becomes a bigger part of the interaction in these 10+ year age gaps, though looks are still important.

 

[Luni]

Most men who are 35-40 are interacting with women close to their age.

When men date younger women (the most common age arrangement), the most common age difference range is 0-4 years. It doesn't matter how old the man is, this is what is likely to happen. This is why I have said many times on this forum that the typical 30s/40s man is a vagina beggar who ends up with some woman close to his own age.

Once a man turns 30, he has the option for some bigger age gaps, but the typical 30 something guy has a girlfriend/wife who is 0-4 years younger.

5-9 years becomes more impressive. A man is typically 30+ and successful when he's able to pull off this age gap. In order to get a girlfriend in a committed relationship 5-9 years older, a man needs some decent achievements in life.

10+ gets more challenging than 5-9 years. While with 5-9 years, men and women can still be in somewhat similar life stages. At 10+ years, a man is at least half a generation older than a woman and they start to want different things. Money/status becomes a bigger part of the interaction in these 10+ year age gaps, though looks are still important.

Understood. Thanks for the perspective. I avoid damaged goods (+27) for serious relationships at any and all cost. Maybe when I'm 50

 

[SW15]

I avoid damaged goods (+27) for serious relationships at any and all cost. Maybe when I'm 50

At 32, you can still feasibly date 22-26 year olds, though 24-26 is a bit more realistic. Most 32 year old men are dating 28-31 year olds.

How's dating 26 and under going for you?

 

[Luni]

At 32, you can still feasibly date 22-26 year olds, though 24-26 is a bit more realistic. Most 32 year old men are dating 28-31 year olds.

How's dating 26 and under going for you?

By far the path of least resistance for me. They're so playful. I have spent the last few years working on game, both theory and practice. Women over 27 can be fun but sooner or later they display signs of insecurity and solipsism. I have noticed that the older women get, the more they try to usurp the sexual dynamics between us. Amused mastery is an exceptional force, but with these danger zone women, they eventually get intimidated. They are used to breaking men down one way or another, I will bend for fun, but never break. Within days, they get crazy and try to lock me down into a relationship, it never ends well for them.

The under 27's are aware of the rizz, yet unlike their older counterparts, they simply enjoy the interaction for what it is. They know you are choosing them and they actually appreciate the amused mastery, which is why they seem to enjoy older men in my observation. Imagine your game when you were 25..

 

[zekko]

Maybe the reason why women are so delusional about how much money most guys make is because of feminism. Because women have been taught that they are oppressed, and that they aren't making the kind of money men do. So they just assume guys are making a ton more than they are.

 

[SW15]

Maybe the reason why women are so delusional about how much money most guys make is because of feminism. Because women have been taught that they are oppressed, and that they aren't making the kind of money men do. So they just assume guys are making a ton more than they are.

How can women be oppressed when they get preferential treatment in hiring?

 

[zekko]

How can women be oppressed when they get preferential treatment in hiring?

Feminism says they don't. Got to maintain that victim identity.

 

[SW15]

Feminism says they don't. Got to maintain that victim identity.

Feminism is wrong. If anyone's a victim, it's men.

 

[zekko]

Feminism is wrong. If anyone's a victim, it's men.

Funny thing is, men helped put themselves in that position.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Women don't possess the power to hold the top 10% of men accountable to their actions so they project their post-'alpha' born insecurities onto the other 90% of men.

There are more and more women who have been ran through or disregarded by the top tier men and are bitter as all hell about it, their friends empower this nonsense and even throw in their own insecurities on top of her own.

I think there are a lot of women who simply view these men as objects to achieve revenge in their own twisted way... I mean ****, being disposable isn't so bad in comparison to being out-right hated for no good reason.

I think trying to achieve some sort of logical conclusion is just silly here, anecdotally or generally, who knows why they do what they do, who cares, I'm just authentically me and if it's not good enough I don't let that bother me, I simply move on.

 

[SW15]

So you need money to settle down with a woman? Who wants to settle down with a woman? Been there, done that, not worth the trouble.

There are some men in their 30s and 40s who are beta bucks guys. If a guy does well enough today, he can be a beta bucks guy. These beta bucks guys in their 30s/40s were typically ignored/invisible in their 18-29 years unless they had a social circle.

The problem with being a beta bucks guy in the 2000-present era is that women do a good job now earning their own money. Because women earn their own money in a lot of cases, it takes more money to be a beta bucks guy than it used to take, even on an inflation-adjusted basis.

In the United States, the OP @jaymbrs used the salary range of $75,000 - $125,000/year as a semi-successful man. I would take the upper range of that up to around $149,999 until a man actually starts to see an SMV boost from his annual salary. A $125,000/year earning 30s/40s guy isn't going to be doing that well with normie range looks.

 

[SW15]

It looks to me that you're citing bull$hit in here that every woman regurgitates.

The list you made in the quote below is close to the list that the typical White American woman wants. This is especially true of White women with bachelor's degrees or higher who live in more populated areas. Non-White women are a little bit less demanding.

Cause according to your posts the only way a guy can be successful with women is:

- 6'5" or taller (@SW15 note -- I think you meant 6'0"+)
- $150,000/y or more
- 6.5" d1ck or more
- Head full of hair
- Jacked
- Have high status
- Have a nice car
- Have a nice house (@SW15 note -- housing type doesn't matter. Apartment or house can be good. It does need to be a nice place)

A man doesn't need to have every single one of those but having most of those will help a lot. 6'0"+ and fit are the biggest ones.

 

[CornbreadFed]

@The Duke is correct, obsessing over the perfect giga chad is pointless because women will have no idea how to keep that man attracted to them or they might ruin it themselves. Plus, if women don't want semi-successful men, then why are women choosing to procreate with losers, bums, and short men? There's literally a stay-at-home dad across the street that does nothing but sit on the porch and smoke black and milds. He looks like a skinny Ben Wallace, and they have two kids together.

 

[The Duke]

Okay so, in order to be seen alpha fvcks you just have to be 6'0" and fit? Exactly my point, forget about the money bull$hit and get jacked, women can pay for their own $hit today, but a jacked guy is rare when obesity is almost 40%, and every woman want a hot guy, whether they admit it or not.

So how have your chances with women improved by getting into shape?

 

[CornbreadFed]

Okay so, in order to be seen alpha fvcks you just have to be 6'0" and fit? Exactly my point, forget about the money bull$hit and get jacked, women can pay for their own $hit today, but a jacked guy is rare when obesity is almost 40%, and every woman want a hot guy, whether they admit it or not.

Unless you are dating a fitness chick, your average normie girl isn't going to know how to handle a guy with sub 12% BF. She thinks six pack abs are because of high metabolism and will pressure you to cheat on your diet and lifestyle eventually. They will never like your chicken breast and broccoli/anabolic diet, so your only option is to do some OMAD/Intermittent fasting which isn't sustainable in the long run. The guy is either going to have to compromise and put on some weight or the relationship will be mediocre at best and lead to other problems.