Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Well you did say the approaching guy would be unsuccessful if he was "creepy" or "desperate". You called it a "dealbreaker". Which means he hadn't done anything to break the deal prior and there was still a deal to break prior. Then here you gave two reasonable examples of a guy being creepy or desperate, but these are different scenarios than a guy in the first example approaching with a compliment and you judging him "creepy" or "desperate" just from his appearance right away. You're bebopping and scattering around the real issue now, kind of like a few other female posters do on here btw, but I'm not going to push the issue because to your credit your reply was nice and feminine enough.lexie said:I did not describe the approaching male as "creepy" or "desperate". I said it's important that he not come off this way. These words do have meaning other than simple attraction: If a very attractive guy comes up to me, hits on me, and persists after I said "hey, no thanks", this could be creepy. I also have another fairly attractive male acquaintance who is, frankly, very often rude to girls and has trouble getting dates to all his frat parties. However, he continues to ask out girls who have turned him down, and has a crush on a new girl every week. This comes across as desperate.
phyzzle said:2. Have you ever been making out on a bed and then hesitated?
If so, has any man ever:
a. Ignored you to go do something else?
b. Continued to nicely cuddle with the clothes on the rest of the night?
c. Shortly tried stripping you again?
Then what happened afterwards?
(Remember, NO ONE CARES what "would work" with you. We want to know what you actually did in the past. So if this situation never happened, never mind.)
If (a) stopped and ignored you, then how did you push him to stop? With (c) we don't recommend to keep pushing we recommend a variation of (b) basically roll over and ignore her (but not get angry which it souunds like (a) did). The guy that cuddle you all night wasn't necessarily a great guy not just there for sex, likely he was a chump and least honest of the 3.Yes. And I've gotten all three responses from a man.
a. made me feel bad, like I did something wrong and I didn't want to make out with him again.
b. showed that he was a great guy and wasn't just there for sex.
c. showed that he was just there for sex. At least it's honest.
Then what happened afterwards?
(Remember, NO ONE CARES what "would work" with you. We want to know what you actually did in the past. So if this situation never happened, never mind.)
After (a) or (c) I pushed him to stop. After (b) I either went to sleep or started something with him later when I felt more comfortable.
Lexie said:it sort of defeats the point of having a woman answer if you're just going to draw the same male conclusion as usual.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
1. Yes. I think attraction happens regardless of your "attachment" to another person. If you're unsatisfied in a relationship, I think your eyes are more likely to wander, but general attraction happens no matter what. You can appreciate a nice looking guy when you see him, and I have a flirty personality, so I do like just talking to guys - it's fun. But as for serious attraction, no. If I get to where the attraction reaches a certain point I make an effort to physically not put myself in a situation where I could allow those feelings to grow. It's a matter of being committed.DavenJuan said:1. have you ever been in a LTR and been emotionally attracted to another guy? if so..why do you think?
2. when you go out with your girls, majority of the time are you and your friends looking to hook up, or most of the time rather not be bothered?
3. do you personally prefer a guy to come up to you and be mr. smooth, or rather straight to the point?
4. have you ever fooled around with a guy in a relationship? if so why do you think?
I think I'm going to need a representative picture for each rating. And if I'm the one doing the rating, it's never going to be accurate. All girls will tell you they have "4-days" and "10-days". And then there's a matter of your personal tastes and my self-deprecation...Nighthawk said:Rate yourself 1-10 for looks
I wouldn't ever think of a guy who doesn't push as a wimp. I would think he was one of the few males that knows how to listen. And that shows that he can put his wants on hold for a second and respect me.Phyzzle said:Thanks for those answers. When I'm faced with "last minute resistance" I usually try again - next week! So I think I agree with you.
Apparently, some girls will think you're a wimp for not pushing right away. But I think with most girls, you can just back off for a while.
BTW, I think you've never been successfully cold approached! That guy who talked to you in class was IN THE SAME CLASS, and thus not a totally random stranger.
What I wouldn't give to have a female classmate, a female co-worker, or to go to a conference and see a female. I haven't met a female through my career or education in 10+ years. So many spoiled sods on here don't realize how good they have it.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
...ketostix said:If (a) stopped and ignored you, then how did you push him to stop?
hmm, sorry, that was probably a brain fart.
With (c) we don't recommend to keep pushing we recommend a variation of (b) basically roll over and ignore her (but not get angry which it souunds like (a) did).
Wow, that's surprisingly great advice!
The guy that cuddle you all night wasn't necessarily a great guy not just there for sex, likely he was a chump and least honest of the 3.
Yes, you may have a point there...
Actually, yeah, I agree with your responses.Brutus said:Like ketostix said, I think this is something that's in female subconscious and they don't really realize it. It's like women have a psychological blind spot about it. Also, many times women give advice that is great for long term relationship, but for the dating stage is contra productive. So to answer that lady's question about what do I do when I stroke her and she's unresponsive:
1. If we're in LTR, I will try to connect.
2. If we're together a couple of weeks, YES, I will go watch football.
What are your thoughts on the matter, Lexie?
Lol, thanks. You're right, my 'creepy' example was a cold-approach, but the 'desperate' one wasn't. I'm not trying to bebop (lol, haven't heard that word in awhile), so I'll try to put it as simply as I can:ketostix said:Well you did say the approaching guy would be unsuccessful if he was "creepy" or "desperate". You called it a "dealbreaker". Which means he hadn't done anything to break the deal prior and there was still a deal to break prior. Then here you gave two reasonable examples of a guy being creepy or desperate, but these are different scenarios than a guy in the first example approaching with a compliment and you judging him "creepy" or "desperate" just from his appearance right away. You're bebopping and scattering around the real issue now, kind of like a few other female posters do on here btw, but I'm not going to push the issue because to your credit your reply was nice and feminine enough.![]()
I don't have a problem with it, mainly because I don't think guys should have problems with a girl wanting to stay single. I think problems arise here when you've got a couple that's been dating for a while and the girl wants to turn it into a relationship, while the guy might want to just keep it casual because he's dating around and doesn't want to get tied down. And then the girl's reaction would most likely be due to the fact that it really feels like a personal slap in the face like this guy is saying to you "hey, you're great to hang out with sometimes and I like you, but not enough to give up all other girls for you." It's a jealousy problem. She really likes the guy and want him to like her just as much.BlackJackal said:Well I dont have to many questions to ask. But I'm curious. Why do most women have a problem with a man who chooses to stay single? It's like they cant stand it..lol.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
It also show that he isn't desperate, or a slave to sex. Which is a huge turn on.Lexie said:I wouldn't ever think of a guy who doesn't push as a wimp. I would think he was one of the few males that knows how to listen.
Thanks for the welcome!The Loacker said:Alright so here's my question. I know you don't like to refer to tests as "tests", but rather as "barriers", but either way what are your thoughts on them? I mean we have our own theory on why women throw out tests (basically testing to see if the man is really a man, or just an AFC in disguise), but I'm interested in what women are thinking when they throw out these tests. Do they even realize they're testing? Is it subconscious? Etc...
Welcome to the forum by the way.![]()
You post the inflammatory response and I'm the "attention hor"? Please.Don Juanabbe said:Jesus fook, 6 pages of posts all for an attention hor.
Yes, you are.Lexie said:You post the inflammatory response and I'm the "attention hor"? Please.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.