Why would anyone join Tinder just to make friends?

[Divorced w 3]

my autism renders me too exhausted to work out when I get home.

respectfully, this explains everything.

 

[GoodMan32]

You're not as developed as YOU would like to be.

You are reliant on dating apps, prostitutes, and singles events.

Myself, and several other posters, are providing you with the blueprint to that development, and despite your situation, you continue to create excuses for why you can't take the medicine.

So, like I said, be a statistic or be an exception. If you're choosing to remain a statistic, then stop complaining to us about it.

Your "blueprint" is for me to work out.

My counselor's proposal today was a much better idea: Rather than change, meet a woman organically who likes me for the true me. It has happened before (Or at least I'm pretty sure it's happened before, as is my counselor. I never did the official askout to find out)

Taking my counselor's proposal into account, my problem isn't lack of muscle. My problem is being afraid to do the askout.

I rely on the methods you mentioned because I'm not afraid to shoot my shot with those methods.

 

[BPH]

Your "blueprint" is for me to work out.

My counselor's proposal today was a much better idea: Rather than change, meet a woman organically who likes me for the true me. It has happened before (Or at least I'm pretty sure it's happened before, as is my counselor. I never did the official askout to find out)

Taking my counselor's proposal into account, my problem isn't lack of muscle. My problem is being afraid to do the askout.

I rely on the methods you mentioned because I'm not afraid to shoot my shot with those methods.

You need to understand that your counselor is somebody you are paying. They have a vested interest in keeping you reliant on them. In a way, "success" means they lose a customer.

I have no vested interest in your success; I'm just tired of seeing you complaining and having all these members offer you advice time and time again, only for you to ignore it when they could be helping somebody willing to make adjustments in their life.

You are not attractive.

You would get more women if you were attractive.

You can become more attractive by working out.

It really is that f***ing simple...

 

[GoodMan32]

You need to understand that your counselor is somebody you are paying. They have a vested interest in keeping you reliant on them. In a way, "success" means they lose a customer.

I have no vested interest in your success; I'm just tired of seeing you complaining and having all these members offer you advice time and time again, only for you to ignore it when they could be helping somebody willing to make adjustments in their life.

You are not attractive.

You would get more women if you were attractive.

You can become more attractive by working out.

It really is that f***ing simple...

Counseling is a double-edged sword. I've heard your take on counseling before (a counselor doesn't want us to succeed, as then they'd lose a customer)

It's more complicated than that though. While it's true they'll lose our business if we succeed, a counselor also runs the risk of losing our business if they're clearly a terrible counselor.

I quit a counselor after only a few sessions in 2023, for example, because her approach was to throw me into the deep end right away (and because she'd go on irrelevant tangents when I'd mention what led me to develop my fear of rejection, the main purpose of why I sought out counseling)

My current counselor, on the other hand, has the approach of "practice with floaties in the shallow section of the pool before moving to the deep end"

I'd say my current counselor's approach is working. After about a month of going to my current counselor, I managed to get a mini-date after an organized singles event. Additionally, I'm becoming more and more comfortable flirting (even if some on this forum refer to my specific flirts as simping)

As for your claim I'm unattractive, that's where we disagree. I'm extremely vocal on here about my adamance that I'm a 6-7.

The ratings I got on a rating website where you can set it up so that you only get ratings from female raters beg to differ with you.

The woman from a different office in my office building who (within the past 6 months) called me an 8 begs to differ.

The female employee in my condo building who gave me my last free sex begs to differ (she apparently wanted me badly enough to put her job on the line to fvck me)

The female coworker who drew a flirtatious picture of me (and then gave me the picture) when I was 28 begs to differ.

The married woman who repeatedly drove 45 minutes just to fvck me begs to differ.

The girl I had 2 dates with from OkCupid in college, who rated me an 8 and a half, begs to differ.

Hell, even @BeExcellent, despite her badgering me about the fact I don't work out, has said on a post that I have decent looks (and she's seen what I look like)

While I won't show my picture on the public forum, I've shared a realistic AI-generated image of me on the forum before (for extra measure, I'm even going to throw in another realistic AI-generated image of me this time). The fact you call me unatttactive when you don't even know what I look like (you just saw some body shots on a thread) is something else:



Then here's an AI-generated image I've shared on the forum before of a looksmatch woman (she's not based on any specific woman; just a general looksmatch):



If it weren't for the abundance a woman has, I'd be dating a woman in that looks tier.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

For F#ck's sake OP you could've done multiple sets of 20 pushups or bicep curls in the time and energy it took to make this last post.

Think about that.

Just because you have autism doesn't mean you couldn't have recognized your thought patterns and redirected them or shut them down and did a quick workout with the time and energy instead.

For F#ck's sake.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I propose the board respond to OP with "shut up and give me 20" every time he posts.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I propose the board respond to OP with "shut up and give me 20" every time he posts.

I propose everyone just block the guy. Why does he get so many replies? The endless babe in the woods / I can’t do anything bc ‘x’ - this place eats it up. This board has gone to absolute zero His effectiveness as a troll is maybe the best I have ever seen.

 

[GoodMan32]

For F#ck's sake OP you could've done multiple sets of 20 pushups or bicep curls in the time and energy it took to make this last post.

Think about that.

Just because you have autism doesn't mean you couldn't have recognized your thought patterns and redirected them or shut them down and did a quick workout with the time and energy instead.

For F#ck's sake.

I was in public when I made that post.

Plus, I plan on having sex later today. I want to stay fresh (so I don't want to break a sweat working out)

I get your general point. But that doesn't mean every time I post, I could have alternatively been working out.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I was in public when I made that post.

Plus, I plan on having sex later today. I want to stay fresh (so I don't want to break a sweat working out)

I get your general point. But that doesn't mean every time I post, I could have alternatively been working out.

Ok well here's another point - you realize the dude you posted in your long post has zero masculine presence, right?

 

[BPH]

Counseling is a double-edged sword. I've heard your take on counseling before (a counselor doesn't want us to succeed, as then they'd lose a customer)

It's more complicated than that though. While it's true they'll lose our business if we succeed, a counselor also runs the risk of losing our business if they're clearly a terrible counselor.

I quit a counselor after only a few sessions in 2023, for example, because her approach was to throw me into the deep end right away (and because she'd go on irrelevant tangents when I'd mention what led me to develop my fear of rejection, the main purpose of why I sought out counseling)

My current counselor, on the other hand, has the approach of "practice with floaties in the shallow section of the pool before moving to the deep end"

I'd say my current counselor's approach is working. After about a month of going to my current counselor, I managed to get a mini-date after an organized singles event. Additionally, I'm becoming more and more comfortable flirting (even if some on this forum refer to my specific flirts as simping)

As for your claim I'm unattractive, that's where we disagree. I'm extremely vocal on here about my adamance that I'm a 6-7.

The ratings I got on a rating website where you can set it up so that you only get ratings from female raters beg to differ with you.

The woman from a different office in my office building who (within the past 6 months) called me an 8 begs to differ.

The female employee in my condo building who gave me my last free sex begs to differ (she apparently wanted me badly enough to put her job on the line to fvck me)

The female coworker who drew a flirtatious picture of me (and then gave me the picture) when I was 28 begs to differ.

The married woman who repeatedly drove 45 minutes just to fvck me begs to differ.

The girl I had 2 dates with from OkCupid in college, who rated me an 8 and a half, begs to differ.

Hell, even @BeExcellent, despite her badgering me about the fact I don't work out, has said on a post that I have decent looks (and she's seen what I look like)

While I won't show my picture on the public forum, I've shared a realistic AI-generated image of me on the forum before (for extra measure, I'm even going to throw in another realistic AI-generated image of me this time). The fact you call me unatttactive when you don't even know what I look like (you just saw some body shots on a thread) is something else:

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Then here's an AI-generated image I've shared on the forum before of a looksmatch woman (she's not based on any specific woman; just a general looksmatch):

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If it weren't for the abundance a woman has, I'd be dating a woman in that looks tier.

I've seen what you look like, trust me. You are not a 6-7.

I would consider myself about an 8, and you are nowhere near me in the looks department (hint: my profile picture is me).

You are, realistically, a 4 or 5.

These women giving you ratings, they don't matter - they're not f***ing you. These women who you f***ed in the past, they don't matter - you're no longer f***ing them.

You have not had sex without paying for it for more than 4 years...like I shouldn't need to say more than that for you to understand that your current approach to dating is incorrect.

But it doesn't matter, you need the floaties still, you're not ready for the deep end. And at this rate, you never will be.

For F#ck's sake OP you could've done multiple sets of 20 pushups or bicep curls in the time and energy it took to make this last post.

Think about that.

Just because you have autism doesn't mean you couldn't have recognized your thought patterns and redirected them or shut them down and did a quick workout with the time and energy instead.

For F#ck's sake.

My thoughts exactly...in the time he's spent replying to these posts, he could've gotten a workout in. It's the weekend, and he doesn't have work. Then he says he "wants to stay fresh"? I guess OP doesn't know how to take a shower...Jesus Christ...

I propose everyone just block the guy. Why does he get so many replies? The endless babe in the woods / I can’t do anything bc ‘x’ - this place eats it up. This board has gone to absolute zero His effectiveness as a troll is maybe the best I have ever seen.

I tried that, but it becomes difficult when his BS finds its way into every thread. If he doesn't get replies to his threads, he replies to others and makes it about him. Then when he responds individually to each post, it pushes his crap to the top.

Anyway, I don't think he's a troll, I think he's really this naive. What I don't understand is what happened during his absence. When @New_Journey made that thread and the mods said they would drain the swamp, I thought he was either banned or told to straighten up if he wanted to continue posting.

OP was gone for quite some time, and I thought he might've made progress. Clearly not.

 

[GoodMan32]

Ok well here's another point - you realize the dude you posted in your long post has zero masculine presence, right?

The AI-generated images? Yeah, I suppose they don't look stereotypically macho.

I've seen what you look like, trust me. You are not a 6-7.

I would consider myself about an 8, and you are nowhere near me in the looks department (hint: my profile picture is me).

You are, realistically, a 4 or 5.

These women giving you ratings, they don't matter - they're not f***ing you. These women who you f***ed in the past, they don't matter - you're no longer f***ing them.

You have not had sex without paying for it for more than 4 years...like I shouldn't need to say more than that for you to understand that your current approach to dating is incorrect.

But it doesn't matter, you need the floaties still, you're not ready for the deep end. And at this rate, you never will be.



My thoughts exactly...in the time he's spent replying to these posts, he could've gotten a workout in. It's the weekend, and he doesn't have work. Then he says he "wants to stay fresh"? I guess OP doesn't know how to take a shower...Jesus Christ...



I tried that, but it becomes difficult when his BS finds its way into every thread. If he doesn't get replies to his threads, he replies to others and makes it about him. Then when he responds individually to each post, it pushes his crap to the top.

Anyway, I don't think he's a troll, I think he's really this naive. What I don't understand is what happened during his absence. When @New_Journey made that thread and the mods said they would drain the swamp, I thought he was either banned or told to straighten up if he wanted to continue posting.

OP was gone for quite some time, and I thought he might've made progress. Clearly not.

No, you haven't seen what I look like. I just went through my DM history to confirm I've never DMed with you (DM is the only method on here where I've ever shared my actual selfies)

I figured your profile picture was you. You have good looks.

My difficulty reading a woman's cues, combined with my fear of shooting my shot even if I read her cues, likely has more to do with why I haven't had free sex since April 2021 than my lack of working out.

If I read, and acted on, every cue from a woman, chances are I would have had free sex more recently.

I'd say I've made progress. I'm in a much better spot than I was a year ago. There are a number of ways to measure progress. Even if (on the surface) I haven't gotten very far with the opposite sex in the past year, that doesn't mean I haven't progressed in other ways (simply being more comfortable with the opposite sex than I was a year ago is a major step in the right direction)

 

[corrector]

Plus, I plan on having sex later today.

With an escort?

 

[GoodMan32]

With an escort?

The fact I'm so confident about being able to get sex today should answer your question

 

[BPH]

The fact I'm so confident about being able to get sex today should answer your question

So your reason for not working out today is because you wanted to be fresh enough for a woman you're paying to have sex with you, in which case she's obligated to do so...

Jesus Christ, dude...yeah, continue not listening to me, this is sad.

 

[MatureDJ]

You mean having a crappy paying full-time "whatever" office-drone job does that. If your folks did not subsidize you in some way then you then could not even afford to escortcel and would be a total incel based on that income and today's cost of living. To the extent autism placed you to have such a job I guess it's fair to blame that, but it's not the reason you are drained when you get home. If you quit your job then I'm 100% sure you would not feel drained and have more energy, but then you would not afford to work out.

People only have time or money. If you have neither then you are screwed.

It's OVER for PoorTimelessCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

The fact I'm so confident about being able to get sex today should answer your question

It is a great feeling knowing that when you have a date with an escort, you are guaranteed to get laid. Sexual frustration is torture.

 

[MatureDJ]

You're not as developed as YOU would like to be.

You are reliant on dating apps, prostitutes, and singles events.

Myself, and several other posters, are providing you with the blueprint to that development, and despite your situation, you continue to create excuses for why you can't take the medicine.

So, like I said, be a statistic or be an exception. If you're choosing to remain a statistic, then stop complaining to us about it.

Only 10% of men can access poontang without those 3 methods.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

So your reason for not working out today is because you wanted to be fresh enough for a woman you're paying to have sex with you, in which case she's obligated to do so...

Jesus Christ, dude...yeah, continue not listening to me, this is sad.

And here's the kicker - if the dude did work out beforehand he'd probably get better service.

 

[Clockwerk50]

If I got into a serious relationship, it's possible I might end up not having the energy to maintain the relationship. I'm at least willing to give a try, however. There's only one way to find out.

I never last with a workout regimen though. Since I already know from experience that I don't have the energy, why bother working out?

I wrote a huge post but I’m just going to write a couple of sections of it:

1. When you make all these excuses, what we hear is “I can’t”. Most beginners are scared to lift heavy because they don’t realize their body is capable of doing it, the mind gives out before the body does. That’s where your leverage is built, and that’s exactly why we don’t buy into the “I can’t” ideology you keep bringing here, because the truth is, you can.

2. Everyone is tired after work. It’s funny you’re open to potentially getting into a relationship that’s probably destined to fail because you ‘might not have the energy,’ but you’ve completely written off getting jacked and all the benefits that come with it, just because you’ve already convinced yourself you ‘don’t have the energy.

3. The AI picture you’re using isn’t truthful. It makes you look like you’re in your mid-20s, but in reality, you have wrinkles, a receding hairline, petite upper and lower body, bad posture, and your style is below average, with some areas that just seem off. You’re deceiving others which is disingenuous.

4. I wouldn’t take the rating those women gave you at a face value. A lot of women will rate you kindly just to avoid conflict or awkward situations. Women have developed social strategies to defuse potential threats because men are physically stronger. I would take the rating Wheat Waffles gave you, which is a 4.

5. Bottom line: if you don’t work out, you’ll have fewer options, less margin for error, and fewer chances to get what you want. Aside from the increase in SMV, most women are naturally drawn to fit guys because it signals discipline, stability, and that you’ve got your life in order. It also convey the ability to protect her from danger. Basically, it casts a wider net since desire is both imitative and competitive, people want what others want and instinctively chase what others might lose. I’ve said this to you multiple times.

6. Not sure what you want from women, whether it’s sex, companionship, validation, or acceptance, but their love is unconditional; it’s always tied to what you bring to the table. There is a reason why being married is defined as the “red pill in expert mode”.

 

[Clockwerk50]

It is a great feeling knowing that when you have a date with an escort, you are guaranteed to get laid. Sexual frustration is torture.

You had 50 years to work on yourself. You reap what you sow.