Why are men shamed for using escorts/hookers? Isnt that the ultimate dread if a guy has used them?

[EyeBRollin]

Hookers are just an expensive way to masturbate. You get nothing out of it other than the smell of cigarettes on your clothes and paranoia.

Disagree. Sex in my opinion is more about conquest and submission than the mechanical act. Hookers fulfill that portion of the equation.

 

[corrector]

Disagree. Sex in my opinion is more about conquest and submission than the mechanical act. Hookers fulfill that portion of the equation.

How many have you been with?

 

[EyeBRollin]

How many have you been with?

I do not recall.

 

[EyeBRollin]

C'mon you must have a ball park figure.... A couple, few, half dozen, handful..... Surely you haven't visited dozens upon dozens where you can't come up with a general estimate.....

I do not recall. How about you?

 

[HaleyBaron]

Disagree. Sex in my opinion is more about conquest and submission than the mechanical act. Hookers fulfill that portion of the equation.

No they don't. There is nothing conquestable about a woman opening her legs to you showing some money. And the submission is insofar as a transaction of the lowest tier. Hookers is shooting fish in a barrel, and it's not even the good kind of fish. Nature is balance, and men who take the easy way out are not conquesting anything.

 

[HaleyBaron]

He was saying that hookers fulfill the mechanical aspect of the act. Not the conquest part.

He said sex is about conquest and submission. Using "than" means his subject was of those two. That's what I was replying to. Mechanically, I can **** a sex toy and it'll fullfill it too for less money and more long term availability.

 

[EyeBRollin]

No they don't. There is nothing conquestable about a woman opening her legs to you showing some money. And the submission is insofar as a transaction of the lowest tier. Hookers is shooting fish in a barrel, and it's not even the good kind of fish. Nature is balance, and men who take the easy way out are not conquesting anything.

You can read deeper into it if you want.

Bottom line is a guy can pay $500-$1000 and bang an HB8 and have her be 100% submissive to him for an hour, then go on about his life. His right or left hand can’t exactly do that.

 

[HaleyBaron]

You can read deeper into it if you want.

Bottom line is a guy can pay $500-$1000 and bang an HB8 and have her be 100% submissive to him for an hour, then go on about his life. His right or left hand can’t exactly do that.

Not once is she submissive to you, especially with the prospect of it being "only for an hour." There is nothing submissive about a time limit.

 

[corrector]

I do not recall. How about you?

Why cant you call? I have the working names, background, date, time, location, etc... and you cant recall the number? Wow. That does not say much about that.

 

[member160292]

Two chicks at the same time was everything I imagined it would be. Every man should try it at least once in their lifetime

 

[EyeBRollin]

I can see both yours and his points. For the right amount, she'll be submissive in that time frame. Maybe an extra 20 dollars opens the submissive door to something that would be denied. At the same time.... I'd rather have the free submission of a lower value woman than the bought for submission time frame of an escort. The submission is dollar based not desire based for the escort.

All women cost resources. What you save on money you pay for in time. How much time will it take you to bang an HB8?

 

[pipeman84]

Here's my perspective on this subject:
Back in the day, quality woman over certain age equaled married woman which equaled virginity. There were exceptions such as widows, those engaged, and probably others I can't think of now. So for a man to go to a hooker was understandably something to be ashamed of....either he wasn't valuable enough to secure a wife or he was a POS cheating on his wife with what was basically the failures of the womanhood so to speak.

Nowadays there are women seen as empowered and independent who have the notch counts of the hookers back in the day. And there are guys dumb enough to wife them up and even knock them up. There are women who have casual sex with strangers off the street or off an app after 2-3 dates. Rinse and repeat.

Or women who jump from one STR to another. In this environment, I can't see the difference between getting with a hooker or with any of these type of women. I think getting with a hooker is more honest and with close to 0% risk of getting the headaches, heartaches and all kinds of other aches a man is liable to get by being involved with modern hoes. This forum alone is witness to what I'm saying...I haven't yet seen a thread about a guy suffering from heartache because of an escort, but there are plenty about what started as no strings attached sex, fwb, 'girlfriends' etc and soon developed into the guy having his head messed up by a modern hoe.

I've seen the argument made that the hooker doesn't love you, she's fvcking just for money etc...c'mon man, you think a woman you got off an app and who fvcks with you after 3rd date knows what love is? She fvcks with you because she's realized what a great guy you are after just 3 dates? You conveniently forget about the other 5 guys before you (in the current calendar year) who thought the same thing. No, she has sex with you because she herself is fvcked up in the head, because she needs attention/validation whatever.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Why cant you call? I have the working names, background, date, time, location, etc... and you cant recall the number? Wow. That does not say much about that.

Isn’t that against your religion?

 

[HaleyBaron]

I haven't yet seen a thread about a guy suffering from heartache because of an escort

You're ignoring the thousands to millions of examples in the real world of men becoming in love with their escorts/ hookers. Captain Save a Ho is a normal thing.

 

[pipeman84]

You're ignoring the thousands to millions of examples in the real world of men becoming in love with their escorts/ hookers. Captain Save a Ho is a normal thing.

There's no helping for some men, that's why I said risk is close to 0% not 0%. It's way way smaller than with modern hoes for these 2 reasons: 1. the deal is upfront with an escort whereas with a modern hoe it's a game of pretense and acting and the guy gets lost in the role.
2. the exposure to 'poison' so to speak is of much shorter duration with escorts therefore the probability of getting ill is much lower.

 

[corrector]

Isn’t that against your religion?

Of course it is. I don't visit prostitutes today. That was 8 years ago, only twice. Had a debilitating after-effect where I lost a month, and had residuals the year afterwards. Everything is documented including the recovery back to normal.

 

[HaleyBaron]

There's no helping for some men, that's why I said risk is close to 0% not 0%. It's way way smaller than with modern hoes for these 2 reasons: 1. the deal is upfront with an escort whereas with a modern hoe it's a game of pretense and acting and the guy gets lost in the role.
2. the exposure to 'poison' so to speak is of much shorter duration with escorts therefore the probability of getting ill is much lower.

I do agree that the margin between normal women and hookers has decreased in difference. There's far more western women becoming wh*res than ever before.

I think we can agree that all women have the potential to be wh*res. Some men would claim that all women are wh*res just to get the obvious out of the way as they can become one eventually. And cheating wives has been a thing since the beginning of human civilization. The temptation is too good to pass up. So some people will go "Just get a hooker" to get to the endgame.

However, I am still a man. And my dignity and manhood asks me to stay away from hookers. The chase is what keeps me interested and my body rewards me more than an easy lay.

 

[EyeBRollin]

However, I am still a man. And my dignity and manhood asks me to stay away from hookers. The chase is what keeps me interested and my body rewards me more than an easy lay.

This isn’t an either or - hookers vs. “normal” women. I don’t think anyone would advise men to just only visit escorts. Hookers provide a service- immediate sexual access and submission that some guys desire in that moment.

Also, discretion is a big reason why celebrities and high powered men utilize escorts. They cant just fvck random women that don’t come with references.

 

[patb]

I support the legalization of prostitution, with the explicit aim of reducing the bargaining power of women. I often like the idea of using escorts (never actually have). In practice, though, I don't think I'd like it. When I visited SEA, my interest in buying sex evaporated, probably exactly because I knew it was within easy reach. It's the the ability to get sex on demand that counts, not the actual act so much.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Wasnt it Charlie Sheen who said something like "I dont pay h00kers for sex, I pay them to leave" ?