"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

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Who is more wholesome?

Who is more wholesome?

  • A 20 year old HB9 who works as a stripper (not a prostitute, no pimp, no STD).

    Votes: 4 19.0%
  • A 40 year old HB9 who has been married and divorced (2 kids, no STD).

    Votes: 17 81.0%

  • Total voters
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bigneil

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It's on your honor to vote what you really think but my haters will want to manipulate the stats I'm sure.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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This is a lame subjective argument

but Ill choose the 40 year old, cause she is not smutting herself on a pole for dollars

keep trying to justify to yourself that just because your dating a "hot stripper" that she is quality because of hot she is or "wholesome" because she has no std's yet she is sliding up and down a pole smutting herself for dollars

simps gonna simp (neil)
and strippers gonna strip (slores)
 

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Who would I rather bang? The 20 year old stripper. Who is more "wholesome", which is the topic of this thread? The 40 year old.

No stripper is wholesome. Not a single one. There's never been one, there never will be one. Every single girl who strips has an issue; or multiple issues.

For you to get naked in front of strangers, ranging from 18 year old horny college kids, to 70 year old unhappily married men, and everything inbetween, and get groped by them on a nightly basis while people throw dollar bills at you, is a patently degrading experience. For girls to do it, they have to have some sort of emotional or psychological damage. They lie like it's a bodily function. They tell you they can seperate their work life from their personal life but that is of course, one of their many lies. I hear the same tired argument from the strippers I used to know back when I used to frequent one club in particular. "This is just something short term, blah blah blah, I'm gonna be done with this soon." Guess what, every girl who said that is still working there. Or left to dance somewhere else. Being a stripper is not a job, it's a lifestyle. A lifestyle only certain (damaged) women can live successfully. The idea of banging a stripper is no doubt a hot one, I mean who doesn't want to bang a stripper? But the drama that comes with such things, for me personally, far outweigh a busted nut. Sexy they are, hot they are, wholesome they are not.
 

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The catch: the 40 year old (might have) USED to be a stripper, and has had fake boobs implanted.

I'm sorry, but 20 years of baggage and 2 kids coming through is worse than anything that happens in VIP.
 

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I seem to be losing the debate.

But MisterD I didn't say wholesome I said MORE wholesome.

No 40 year old divorced mother of 2 is wholesome either.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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bigneil said:
I seem to be losing the debate.

But MisterD I didn't say wholesome I said MORE wholesome.

No 40 year old divorced mother of 2 is wholesome either.
Yeah, the 40 year old is damaged goods, no argument here, but it's more physical (possibly beat up *****, 2 kids running around) whereas the stripper is emotionally/mentally damaged goods. To me, mental pain is worse than physical pain. I doubt the 40 year old would play mind games to the level the stripper would. Strippers are no good for your mental health.
 

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MM92 said:
What is your obsession with strippers?
Everyone has there vices.
 

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I now add myself to the choir of voices that think Neil has psych problems.

The whole thread of late about breaking NC with the stripper was just nuts, now you have absolutely confirmed in my mind that your suffering in the mind. Poor you. I would suggest a visit to a good shrink, Neil! This is one hell of a big hole your in, aint it?
 

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Strippers aren't my thing, but the OP can date whoever he wants. I don't see anything wrong with it.

Back to the question...

At first glance, I would say the 40 yo.

But the reality is we don't know for sure.

We dont really know the whole story. Did the 40 yo ride the carusel for many years? Did she cheat and then divorce and take some guy to the cleaners? Or was he really an a$shole, and she rightly divorced him?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Currently I'm 21 so it would be awkward for me to date a 40 year old woman.

Oh I'd happily fvck one, but dating one would be odd.

I can't know what my opinion would be when I'm 30.

However If I was 35 I would probably choose the 20 yr old If its just sex and the 40 year old for a relationship.
 

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TonyBaloney said:
I now add myself to the choir of voices that think Neil has psych problems.

The whole thread of late about breaking NC with the stripper was just nuts, now you have absolutely confirmed in my mind that your suffering in the mind. Poor you. I would suggest a visit to a good shrink, Neil! This is one hell of a big hole your in, aint it?
:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

pepper your angus!!!
 

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Big Neil is to strippers as Big Jimbo is to the Ukraine = Delusional.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Mike32ct said:
We dont really know the whole story. Did the 40 yo ride the carusel for many years? Did she cheat and then divorce and take some guy to the cleaners? Or was he really an a$shole, and she rightly divorced him?
Exactly! I always knew the stripper was a stripper and (let's face it) sells sex for a living.

What did the non-strippers have for issues?

1) HB7, 47, Had 2 kids (smoking hot 18-19 year olds), secretly about to go bankrupt in her business and lose her Visa.
2) HB8, 36, Not sure if she could get pregnant, then got pregnant within months of our breakup.
3) HB8, 38, Had 1 kid, Told me she had Herpes right when we were about to have sex.
4) HB7, 42, Had 2 kids, had just divorced Microsoft Millionaire, and was ruthless toward him in front of me.
5) HB9, 40, Had 1 year old twins but had just been divorced and worked for Big Pharma.
6) HB7, 29, Had rage issues and would storm off at the bat of an eye and worked for Military Industrial Complex.
7) HB8, 25, Was an alcoholic and unemployed.

None of them were strippers. I like the stripper better than most of them.
 

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bigneil said:
Exactly! I always knew the stripper was a stripper and (let's face it) sells sex for a living.

What did the non-strippers have for issues?

1) HB7, 47, Had 2 kids (smoking hot 18-19 year olds), secretly about to go bankrupt in her business and lose her Visa.
2) HB8, 36, Not sure if she could get pregnant, then got pregnant within months of our breakup.
3) HB8, 38, Had 1 kid, Told me she had Herpes right when we were about to have sex.
4) HB7, 42, Had 2 kids, had just divorced Microsoft Millionaire, and was ruthless toward him in front of me.
5) HB9, 40, Had 1 year old twins but had just been divorced and worked for Big Pharma.
6) HB7, 29, Had rage issues and would storm off at the bat of an eye and worked for Military Industrial Complex.
7) HB8, 25, Was an alcoholic and unemployed.

None of them were strippers. I like the stripper better than most of them.
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:

Did you bang #3?
 
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^Yeah for real. I'm not even gonna vote that's such a dumb poll.
It is man, we're both 23, none of us wants a clapped out 40 year old with a vagina as loose as KFC bucket and we don't want a 20 year old stripper who is clearly deranged and was probably abused as a child.

I can't speak for you, but I just want a woman who isn't mental and who doesn't spread her legs open for any penis that wants a run along the gravel pit.
 

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Solomon said:
keep trying to justify to yourself that just because your dating a "hot stripper" that she is quality because of hot she is or "wholesome" because she has no std's yet she is sliding up and down a pole smutting herself for dollars
Lol

But I would have to agree, there a lot of rationalization going on this site. We are not the moral police so what ever floats your boat, but the fact that it's being asked about shows the conscience is not clear.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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