"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Who came up the rules for what makes a "real man"?

FatHairyM4F

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From what I get from this board, a "real man" is: aggressive, competitive, strong (at least mentally/emotionally), tough, independent, secure in himself/doesn't depend on anyone else's approval, likes challenges, is always trying to improve himself, has long-term goals, a bit of a rebel, isn't very emotional, has "been around the block a few times", blah blah blah.

Well if that is the criteria then I am not anything even resembling a "real man" and really don't see any problem with that. I dont see why I should have to be in order to find a woman who will accept me and love me just the way I am. Im a bit on the timid side, passive, not interested in "social" activities, pretty inexperienced about life in general/innocent (I have NO idea why this would be considered a bad thing; to me it just means I'm a good person compared to most guys my age), pretty lazy, very insecure, get my feelings hurt easily...

I DO need a woman to love me, make me feel important, attractive, special, lovable. I'm very affectionate and want to constantly cuddle, hold hands, tell her how beautiful she is, talk about each other's feelings, call each other pet names, talk baby talk, etc. Ideally my whole world would revolve around her, and hers around me.

This isn't cave man days anymore. There's no wild animals we have to kill for food, or no other cavemen we have to protect our women from. We're supposed to be civilized today. So there's no reason why men have to be all "manly" and "macho" anymore. All that should matter is not doing anything illegal and stuff like that.

And I read some of Pook's "Fifteen Lessons" post. And I'm very much like the guy Pook describes who refuses to change because he (rightly) shouldn't have to change for anyone. Then Pook shows these 2 guys, both started out when they were little as mama's boys, one grew out of it and one didn't. And as Pook describes it the one who grew out of it is facing away from his mom's womb, the other still facing toward it. Why is one guy right and one guy wrong? Again, we aren't in the stone age, we're SUPPOSED to be civilized. The rules are supposed to be different today. We're supposed to be in a time when men and women can be whoever they want to be with no social labels. There still are lots of social labels, I see that and there aren't SUPPOSED to be!

Is there anyplace I can move to, where women don't have all these outdated rules about how "real men" act, and find timid passive guys like me sexy?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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10,000 + years of history and survival of the fittest made the rules, I just live by them.
 

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No wonder you are on this site.
 

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Why don't you just go find a doctor who specializes, ask for a sex change operation, and get your d1ck chopped off?

Step out of the matrix, man! You have to accept what you are. You will never be successful if you continue to deny reality.

You recognize that you are lazy, insecure, needy, overly sensitive, and basically a complete wimp, yet you refuse to change? Wow, you are truly pathetic. Good luck in life, pal.


Is there anyplace I can move to, where women don't have all these outdated rules about how "real men" act, and find timid passive guys like me sexy?
I don't know, maybe a retirement home or something
 

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Fellas, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Hey wuss, just tell us where your address is, and let us all come beat some sense in to you. Then you'll know the meaning and importance of power.
 

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Nobody made "rules." These traits simply make men attractive to women. I strongly suspect it's an instinctual desire in women to feel attracted to men who will be strong mates (in the reproduction sense); these characteristics translate (in modern terms) to overall confidence in men, which we luckily can work on to improve.

You don't see men in the street hitting each other with clubs or stabbing each other with spears as they fight for a women (as cavemen likely did), but you do see a more relaxed, confident, and cool DJ AMOGing the sh!t out of a few AFCs who are stupidly drooling around a girl. Who will she pick? Nowadays it's different from ancient times, but in some ways still the same. ;)
 

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FatHairyM4F said:
...pretty lazy, very insecure, get my feelings hurt easily...

I DO need a woman to love me, make me feel important, attractive, special, lovable. I'm very affectionate and want to constantly cuddle, hold hands, tell her how beautiful she is, talk about each other's feelings, call each other pet names, talk baby talk, etc. Ideally my whole world would revolve around her, and hers around me.
Oh wow...I didn't read your entire post before I replied last time. But now I see why the others were flaming you so badly. I am at a loss of words for how to respond to what you said...this is how pathetic your perspective and preferences are. First of all, if you are so lazy, insecure, and vulnerable, I suggest you work to fix these problems before you even think about getting into a relationship with a woman. If you aren't prepared to accept youself, then no other person will be willing to have her "world revolve around yours." Stated another way, would you want to be with a female version of YOU (with the same questionable qualities as you listed above)? If so, then no problem. If not, then don't expect to find anyone who will want you with the outlook you currently have.

I'm not trying to make you feel bad or anything. I just want you to get in touch with reality. You're on this board ostensibly seeking help, so go for it and try to improve. But first you must understand wtf is going on. Good luck sir.
 

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FatHairy, surely you are a troll.

Anyways, thousands of years of evolution has cemented our gender roles quite solidly for the forseeable future.

Sure our bones are smaller, our features have narrowed, and strangely enough we have become taller, but as a race, our genes and instincts still find their roots in ancient human civilization when "men" who indulged in your feminine ideals were most likely wiped off the face of the earth in a flurry of clubs and fire. I doubt cave women really sought a male who would sit home and cry in self-pity and indecision.

If you get scared, your heart beats rapidly and adrenaline floods your body, who cares if it was a spider that cause this reaction. There was no real danger, but tell that to your body reacting as it would have thousands of years ago.
 

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okay, so whats the point of this post? If you make the choice to be what you want to be, to stay in your comfort zone, that is perfectly fine. Every man chooses his own destiny. Why are you seeking approval or denial from other posters? There is no point. And you guys should not even judge him.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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FatHairy, surely you are a troll.
yeah, i wondered about that, too. If it is, tho, it's a pretty convincing and well-written troll post.
 
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FatHairy - these masculine hors are going to eat you alive!!!

It has nothing to do with "evolution" - a man did not evolve into a man and a woman evolve into a woman and by happenstance everything came out correctly for procreation purposes!! -- this doesn't make sense! :rolleyes:

We were created to be complementary natures This is "The Natural Order Of Things"!!! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50480
 
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Last Man Standing said:
FatHairy - these masculine are going to eat you alive!!!

It has nothing to do with "evolution" - a man did not evolve into a man and a woman evolve into a woman and by happenstance everything came out correctly for procreation purposes!! -- this doesn't make sense! :rolleyes:

We were created to be complementary natures This is "The Natural Order Of Things"!!! http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50480

NO. We DID evolve to have each and every one of these traits; we weren't created by a "god" figure who shaped us to be how we are/attract what we attract.

The reason we are the way we are today (men are aggressive, women selective, ect. etc.) is because THESE CHARACTERISTICS WORKED IN THE PAST AND THUS WE STILL HAVE THEM TODAY BECAUSE THEY STILL WORK. We just need to understand our own internal makeup, which resulted from thousands of years of mutations (natures way of trial-and-error)...at last the result is what we have today (and what we have had since "modern" homo sapiens have roamed the earth).

We are like this FOR A REASON (evolution), not because we were "created" so.

I'm sure the OP doesn't want this thread to turn into a religious debate, but what you've said it totally ridiculous, especially in the face of this male/female courtship context.
 

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OP is either a 13 year-old emo, is hopeless, or a troll. I'm going with the last one, but in case I'm wrong: If that's what's been working for you (throughout life in general), keep it up.
 
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DevanE, have you been drinking/smoking?

Women cannot be equal when there are only two in the equation - did you not read The Natural Order Of Things?? Do you not know that chaos is the result when there is a split from two? And family cannot exist with chaos!!!

You have been angry lately - what's up? Do you need counsel? PM me!
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Devane, your post is full of contridictions. i am not going to waste my time poiunting out one, as I have to get up in about 6 hours, but long story short, if you don't want to put in the committment to be what you deserve to be, if you want to attempt to buck thousands of years of what has worked all because your are too lazy to change, then it's no skin off my back.

but if you want to change, for the better, it's time you admit to yourself..

look in the mirror... and say I'm an AFC and I want to change.
 

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:eek: Hey Devan, you made me speechless. Women do NOT want a man who is their equal. You should think about changing your sex if you don't want to be masculine.
 

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while cuddling, pet names, holding hands and all that are cute and good for a bf.

your post is highly AFC and self defeating. your right, a real man shouldnt have to change for anyone, especially some dumb broad.

but a man is also confident in himself and not afraid to show his desires and take action. your saying that AFC is the way to be because you dont wanna be a "real man"

i cant agree with you on that one. sorry
 
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Quit using the term "real" man - no such thing!!! There is only "man" and "woman" - this is The NaturAL ORDER OF THINGS!!!!!
 

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is FATHAIRY even reading these posts? I doubt it. he said he's such a lazy azz!
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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