Most dating and pickup coaches are trash. AG Hayden is just desperate for attention these days and has gone off the loose end. Even Playing With Fire, as much hype as he gets, is sort of crappy. I like the daygame program that Austen Summers has but outside of that, he is weird. In Miami I have seen a lot of coaches trying to test out their theories and such but almost all of them fail.
IMO, the GOAT program for men to get laid a lot was that put together by Good Looking Loser back in the day. While I think his game was wack and he was caught frauding videos with fake models, his forum produced the best results by far. You'd go on there and see guys actually pull and have proof that they did. You had guys come into the forum inexperienced and leave with 100+ lays by the end of it all. Result speak and no one delivered them like the guys on the GLL forum.
What made the forum so great is that it was heavily action oriented. None of that BS towards theories or whining about crap. Your place in the hierarchy was determined by how much you got laid which had dudes going out, approaching, and trying to close. Then look at your typical pickup group where some short bald loudmouth can get respect by just writing about game while having very few results to back it up.
I think anyone that talks too much about theories, red pill nonsense, and politics is a trash coach. Men would benefit the most from being a part of a community that gives some basic dating advice but:
1. Pushes hard for field reports.
2. Pushes hard for proof pics and "receipts" of a guy getting laid.
3. Rewards the guys getting laid rather than guys that play politics and just post a lot.
The Good Looking Loser community back in the day was without question the best game community of all time solely due to the fact that the guys on it got laid a lot and they had proof to back it up.
I more or less agree about GLL. Especially with the benefit of hindsight.
It's funny seeing people mention all of these various names to me. I used to think lots of them were 'good' too but over the years and with lots of experience and seeing things in a different light, I think they are basically all trash. Just think, which of them is HONESTLY going to be the guy who gets laid lots. Some ladies man, super stud. The guy who is gonna steal your girl etc. There's basically none. There's still people who think mystery or even ross jefferies or Robert Greene or whatever are some sort of 'seduction' God, but i'd bet my house that robert green or any of them names would get rejected 200 times in a row if they were trying to hit on the hot going girls I go for. You could say 'yeah, but they're all old now' but that's not the point. They were the ones who said 'age doesn't matter' for example lol.
The truth is that some of them get results, but it's simply not that impressive. They play the same numbers game with the same 'hit rate' as any other random dude. Watch infields. Coaches get laid with 'yes girls'. If they open a girl who clearly isn't receptive, they are powerless. Suddenly their 'attraction material' (negs and dhvs for myster, NLP seduction patterns for jefferies etc) doesn't work. We can all get laid some if we approach as much as mystery used too. (ps - his infields should honestly be confirmation for anyone with some social skills that he really isn't a threat! Some of his infields are painful!)
Someone mentioned Roosh. Are you kidding me? Did you ever see his infields? (didn't have many but some were on youtube). Completely hopeless. His book was as basic as you can possibly get in terms of 'game'. I was always amazed people spoke like he was telling them something they didn't already know (galnuc etc lol. As if asking a girl her age and name and where she lives is groundbreaking 'game')
The cold, hard truth is that none of these coaches are any better than the guy off the street basically. They can't be. Because there IS no ****ing magic 'game' that can force attraction in a girl lol. It's all based on some big lies.
I'm not saying game or social skills do'nt matter at all. But it's not what it's marketed as. It's more some fairly basic ideas to help you not screw up as opposed to some magic to actually make them attracted. The 'attraction material' part of game (and it varies based on who you listen too) is simply not fit for purpose. Negs, self amusement, cold reads, dhv stories...i could go on. It's not gonna help when you open a girl who isn't attracted to you. And depending on your age, looks, and her age and looks, that could be a LOT of girls in a row lol
GLL's main thing was that it's basically a numbers game and past having some fairly basic social skills (such as the knowledge you need to make a move on a girl or whatever!) it's kind of out of your control. Their forum was the only one who provided lots of proof. There were tonnes of guys on there whose results obliterated what the PUA coaches have ever been able to show. And simply doing it by getting as good looking as possible (surgeries, roids, gym etc) and hitting on a tonne of girls. And that's basically all there is. And they knew it. They didn't really care about what we all know as 'game', because they realised it was basically irellevant (past being somewhat 'normal' lol)
All of the coaches are no better than me or you. If they looked identical to me, or if i looked identical to them, i'd get identical results to coach kyle or aghayden or mystery or whoever you like