Where do you live, and how much does it cost?

[Divorced w 3]

in the ny area, a reasonable expectation is to spend about 4-5,000 a month for basic standard of living. you are not living in anything but a studio or 1br at that rate on a 2nd rate neighborhood, and you're just getting by.

 

[Divorced w 3]

It’s an employer’s market. If your employer tells you to come into the office, the incentive to comply is simply to keep your job. And if the company has already proven it can operate without a physical office, it can just as easily look overseas or towns with lower costs for talent.

again, you're talking way out of your element. i get calls constantly, about relocating. and by relocating i mean changing firms and still sitting in the same chair i am now, in my bedroom, unshaven, in mesh shorts. i could get a 1.5 mil + paycheck, today, if i wanted to uproot my business and go. it's not an 'employers market.' there are always pockets that are good, and pockets that are struggling. you really should stop posting.

 

[SW15]

Why would an employer spend over 50k to relocate someone across the country

In most cases, employers don't need to pay relocation costs in bigger USA cities if they want someone physically present for that line of work. They can find what they need in the local labor market.

An employer in a smaller or mid-sized city might need to pay relocation costs if they want someone physically present.

Remote work has been around long before the pandemic, so it's nothing new.

This is true.

Getting hired as a remote worker in most fields would have been quite difficult circa 2010.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Why would an employer spend over 50k to relocate someone across the country, especially if they already handle work outside their territory or even internationally? Remote work has been around long before the pandemic, so it's nothing new. Given my job description and expertise, it makes no sense for my company to spend over 50k to relocate me to their headquarters or replace me with someone there, as my role is entirely based on the territory around me. The jobs being shifted back to offices were mostly traditional office roles, which were already impacted by outsourcing and AI. Yes, AI and computer automation existed well before the pandemic too. Many of these jobs returning to offices seemed like an effort to cut headcount before layoffs. As a result, if you were called back to the office then you are actually more replaceable than someone that remained remote.

Wait, in your original post you said you and your SO, so is the 50K coming from you, or the employer?

That’s why I said the main incentive to go into the office is simply to keep your job. It’s about compliance with what the employer wants.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Wait, in your original post you said you and your SO, so is the 50K coming from you, or the employer?

That’s why I said the main incentive to go into the office is simply to keep your job. It’s about compliance with what the employer wants.

Not every job is a basic desk job that just needs someone to fill a seat, and RTO isn't practical for every employee. Maybe the employer is actually not insane and recognizes the value of a cost-benefit analysis, balancing remote roles with those in the office.

 

[CornbreadFed]

In most cases, employers don't need to pay relocation costs in bigger USA cities if they want someone physically present for that line of work. They can find what they need in the local labor market.

An employer in a smaller or mid-sized city might need to pay relocation costs if they want someone physically present.

Some roles involve travel, working in territories beyond HQ, or requiring specialized experience that necessitates hiring from outside the local talent pool, often leading to high relocation costs for new hires.

 

[Clockwerk50]

again, you're talking way out of your element. i get calls constantly, about relocating. and by relocating i mean changing firms and still sitting in the same chair i am now, in my bedroom, unshaven, in mesh shorts. i could get a 1.5 mil + paycheck, today, if i wanted to uproot my business and go. it's not an 'employers market.' there are always pockets that are good, and pockets that are struggling. you really should stop posting.

My first-hand experience is different. At my company, accounts payable and SAP data master tasks are handled in India, and our IT service desk is outsourced to the Philippines.

You’re in sales, so being poached by the competition is common. In my case, I’ve personally seen around six colleagues leave in the 2 years to competitions because the company is being cheap with commissions and unwilling to adjust pricing, which makes the job harder overall.

It’s an employer’s market right now due to inflation, an unstable economy, and an increase in available candidates.

 

[Divorced w 3]

My first-hand experience is different. At my company, accounts payable and SAP data master tasks are handled in India, and our IT service desk is outsourced to the Philippines.

You’re in sales, so being poached by the competition is common. In my case, I’ve personally seen around six colleagues leave in the 2 years to competitions because the company is being cheap with commissions and unwilling to adjust pricing, which makes the job harder overall.

You’re first hand experience =/= the entirety of the United States or world economy

 

[Divorced w 3]

I haven’t checked in decades but what I would suggest if still possible …Go to the bureau of labor statistics. They used to offer a projective list of what the best jobs were going to be and median expected pay for the future. Look at it and realize what you’re capable of doing and then adjust accordingly. Best thing I ever did for myself.

 

[CornbreadFed]

My first-hand experience is different. At my company, accounts payable and SAP data master tasks are handled in India, and our IT service desk is outsourced to the Philippines.

If your job can easily replaced by an Indian or AI then you are going to be replaced whether you are remote or in an office.

 

[Clockwerk50]

You’re first hand experience =/= the entirety of the United States or world economy

Your whole original post was about your first-hand experience, and I quote: “I get calls constantly, about relocating… I could get a 1.5 mil + paycheck, today, if I wanted to uproot my business and go.”

By your logic, your first-hand experience doesn’t represent the entirety of the U.S. or global economy either. I’m just sharing my own experience in a different context.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Your whole original post was about your first-hand experience, and I quote: “I get calls constantly, about relocating… I could get a 1.5 mil + paycheck, today, if I wanted to uproot my business and go.”

By your logic, your first-hand experience doesn’t represent the entirety of the U.S. or global economy either. I’m just sharing my own experience in a different context.

Because you made the conclusive statement to someone looking for advice, that its an employer’s market, because you work in a shyt industry, and you contextualized your garbage career where you make peanuts into the entirety of knowledge, as usual

You may want to change your handle to Gaslight50

 

[Hamurabimbi]

SF Bay Area. $$$

 

[Clockwerk50]

Because you made the conclusive statement to someone looking for advice, that its an employer’s market, because you work in a shyt industry, and you contextualized your garbage career where you make peanuts into the entirety of knowledge, as usual

You may want to change your handle to Gaslight50

I gave my advice based on what the OP should do, and I was participating in a conversation about working in the office and the incentive for an employee to comply with what the employer wants. I also explained why compliance makes sense in a loose employer’s market.

You jumped into the conversation with your anecdotes, and I simply shared mine. You cannot call me out for using personal experience when you did the same in your original post.

Let me ask you: why the temper tantrums? Why the assumptions about my personal life and the personal attacks? You can’t even debate the argument itself. If you have a problem with me, that’s fine, but I suggest taking it to the mods, or better yet, you’re welcome to leave the site.

 

[Clockwerk50]

If your job can easily replaced by an Indian or AI then you are going to be replaced whether you are remote or in an office.

In my opinion, this applies to almost every white-collar job. If employees don’t need to be on-site or visiting customer locations, the work can be done from anywhere in the world.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I gave my advice based on what the OP should do, and I was participating in a conversation about working in the office and the incentive for an employee to comply with what the employer wants. I also explained why compliance makes sense in a loose employer’s market.

You jumped into the conversation with your anecdotes, and I simply shared mine. You cannot call me out for using personal experience when you did the same in your original post.

Let me ask you: why the temper tantrums? Why the assumptions about my personal life and the personal attacks? You can’t even debate the argument itself. If you have a problem with me, that’s fine, but I suggest taking it to the mods, or better yet, you’re welcome to leave the site.

You said it’s an employers market. You got proven wrong. You cannot gaslight a long winded answer out of it.

 

[Clockwerk50]

You said it’s an employers market. You got proven wrong. You cannot gaslight a long winded answer out of it.

No, I didn’t, and I didn’t gaslight anyone. Sounds like a bit of projection on your part.

 

[Divorced w 3]

No, I didn’t, and I didn’t gaslight anyone. Sounds like a bit of projection on your part.

You’re a proven liar, and nobody should listen to you in any regard.

 

[Divorced w 3]

It’s an employer’s market. If your employer tells you to come into the office, the incentive to comply is simply to keep your job. And if the company has already proven it can operate without a physical office, it can just as easily look overseas or towns with lower costs for talent.

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[Clockwerk50]

You’re a proven liar, and nobody should listen to you in any regard.

That’s a pretty strong accusation. How am I a liar?

Again, If you have an issue with me, either point out where I’ve deceived anyone, take it up with the moderators or feel free to leave the site.

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Yes, I did say that.