I've had dinner, been to several parties, and had a date with her Monday. My next move is to go for a kiss, so should I make plans next week to make her think I'm busy on the weekends, or take a risk and go for the weekend or Friday night
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
When should I ask this girl out
- Thread starter JPlaya
- Start date
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Upside
Senior Don Juan
Mount her. Mount her. Mount her. Mount her. Mount her. Mount her. Mount her.
roman81
Don Juan
Upside said:
TRUE THAT.
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perseverance
Guest
Woah, woah, woah!
You have been out with this girl multiple times and yet you have not escalated? Why not? If this girl has been out to dinner with, has been at multiple parties with you and has had a date with you, she's interested. You need to start escalating, pronto, or she'll think you're not interested and she'll move on to someone else.
You need to go for it, you need to slay that wicked beast and make sure she can't ignore your techno.
You have been out with this girl multiple times and yet you have not escalated? Why not? If this girl has been out to dinner with, has been at multiple parties with you and has had a date with you, she's interested. You need to start escalating, pronto, or she'll think you're not interested and she'll move on to someone else.
You need to go for it, you need to slay that wicked beast and make sure she can't ignore your techno.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
K I finally asked her out, but it didn't go as well.
Me:So what are you doing this day
Her: I'm doing .........
Me: well I was going to ask you to join me for .......
Her: Ya, I might be able to make it but I'm really busy that day
Me: well if youre busy than nvm
Her: maybe but what time
Me: around 8 at night but if you can't make it than you owe me
Her: hmmm really how so lol
Me: cause your always so busy and we need to go ..........
Her: with me and I know I'm always busy
Me: u better and yes we need to sometime
Her: I would love to and then she brings up another convo irrelevant to this
Me:So what are you doing this day
Her: I'm doing .........
Me: well I was going to ask you to join me for .......
Her: Ya, I might be able to make it but I'm really busy that day
Me: well if youre busy than nvm
Her: maybe but what time
Me: around 8 at night but if you can't make it than you owe me
Her: hmmm really how so lol
Me: cause your always so busy and we need to go ..........
Her: with me and I know I'm always busy
Me: u better and yes we need to sometime
Her: I would love to and then she brings up another convo irrelevant to this
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perseverance
Guest
It doesn't sound like she is interested from that exchange.
First, I didn't ask her on a date, I asked her to drop by someplace I can't tell on here. She told me what she was doing in the convo and i know it's mandatory for her. I kind of edited the convo because I'm paranoid she'll randomly stumble upon this, so this is not the exact convo. I'm going to go cold on her. Also, so ignore any texts she sends me till Wednesday. Also were going somewhere in two weeks where I'm pretty sure sex is guaranteed.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.