I see people that want to daygame for example, or nightgame. In the end this means going up to women for a few minutes and trying to get their number, then go out with them later. They aren't really learning anything beyond eliminating their approach anxiety, becoming quick on their feet, and reading body language. Not that this isn't valuable - but this is just one facet of dating. What happens once they actually get on a date?
Isn't true game really a reflection of your social skills and charisma as a result of the life that you normally lead?
I will give an example.
Back when I was very young, I had no experience with women, or people in general. I ended up getting a minimum wage job at an amusement park as a cashier serving alcohol. I would be there 8 hours/day just serving drinks. That experience opened me up to tons of people approaching me. Young women, old women, men of all ages, backgrounds, races, etc. Not only that, but the people I were working with were from different backgrounds and ages as well. It eliminated my fear of talking to people, and greatly improved my social skills. That translated into me getting my first girlfriend, and also many of the women I worked with wanted to date me.
So I guess what I'm curious about is - is it more productive to be learning game, or is it more productive to be making attempts at just leading a very social life? I think that improving one's appearance and reading a few books helps with preventing rookie mistakes - but I just thought that game was really a reflection of how socially adept one is. If I were struggling I'd be better off going to lots and lots of social events and chatting up anyone and everyone, and eventually that would translate into greater conversational prowess when it came to women. All the nuances and ability to read people would also apply to women.
A friend of mine back in college - he was the most social guy I knew, and as a result, had the most charisma of anyone. I'd seen him get girls numbers and he made Paul Janka look like an amateur. Very quick witted and socially calibrated. He was only 20 at the time. So it made me question the value of whatever game is considered to be as opposed to social prowess. At the same time, he was an ivy league caliber student. Is conversational ability tied to intelligence?
Isn't true game really a reflection of your social skills and charisma as a result of the life that you normally lead?
I will give an example.
Back when I was very young, I had no experience with women, or people in general. I ended up getting a minimum wage job at an amusement park as a cashier serving alcohol. I would be there 8 hours/day just serving drinks. That experience opened me up to tons of people approaching me. Young women, old women, men of all ages, backgrounds, races, etc. Not only that, but the people I were working with were from different backgrounds and ages as well. It eliminated my fear of talking to people, and greatly improved my social skills. That translated into me getting my first girlfriend, and also many of the women I worked with wanted to date me.
So I guess what I'm curious about is - is it more productive to be learning game, or is it more productive to be making attempts at just leading a very social life? I think that improving one's appearance and reading a few books helps with preventing rookie mistakes - but I just thought that game was really a reflection of how socially adept one is. If I were struggling I'd be better off going to lots and lots of social events and chatting up anyone and everyone, and eventually that would translate into greater conversational prowess when it came to women. All the nuances and ability to read people would also apply to women.
A friend of mine back in college - he was the most social guy I knew, and as a result, had the most charisma of anyone. I'd seen him get girls numbers and he made Paul Janka look like an amateur. Very quick witted and socially calibrated. He was only 20 at the time. So it made me question the value of whatever game is considered to be as opposed to social prowess. At the same time, he was an ivy league caliber student. Is conversational ability tied to intelligence?
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