"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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When A Woman Shows up Late and/or Sleepy

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How would you handle a woman who show up to a date late and sleepy?

My friend recently went on a second date with a woman and she showed up ~20 minutes late, sleepy, complaining about her feet hurting because she wore a costume to work with heels. After the date she texted him apologizing and he responded with some pretty ass-kissy responses. "It's about quality not quantity". "If you're this much fun when you're tired and it'll be even more fun when you're rested". "I definitely want to see you again".

Now I'm not saying someone necessarily deserves to be nexted for having one bad day, but I can't say that I've ever showed up to a date late once, and definitely not sleepy or complaining about being sore. Showing up late for a first or second date, or a job interview, a plane flight, or even just a movie is just not something (quality) people do when they're excited about something, especially when you know you want to make a good first impression, and if they do they make sure to apologize and make up for it. I told him he ****ed up with his response to her bad behavior, but he insists everything is fine because she said that "he continues to surprise her" and that "she will let him know when she's free soon".

I'm not really sure what my response would be in that situation, but I definitely would not excuse the behavior. How would you guys respond in that kind of situation? What do you think of my friend's response?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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dustmuffin

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Women expect to be cut slack. But don't return the favor. If she texted that she would be late then that is ok. The after date text apologizing would have been met with no reply.
 

marmel75

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Your friend is pretty lame with those replies...
 

El Payaso

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It was good that she didn't flake and actually tried to make it but your friend's responses were dreadful.

A$$ kissing, needy, beta and screams of someone who will let her walk all over him.
 

RangerMIke

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What he should have said was, "Well if you were tired we could have gone to bed, after a little 'exercise', you would have gotten a good sleep."
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Maximus Rex

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How would you handle a woman who show up to a date late and sleepy?
Like at most jobs ole Rex will give you a fifteen minute grace period, after that I'm out.
 

Yewki

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When she suddenly starts ignoring him and goes cold he won't know why, because he played it safe and didn't do one single "bad" thing... instead what he will have done is a series of mediocre and weak interactions that kept her dry as the Sahara. Oh well, maybe someday he'll learn.
 

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I would probably next her. A woman that you want to see more should be a woman with a high interest level. Showing up twenty minutes late and tired is a sure sign of low IL....NEXT!!
 
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