"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Whats better: a wealthy, successful "7" or a regular "10"?

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Say you are a doc or a businessman making 300k+ a year. Whats better: Marrying an "7" who is a doctor and makes 250k+ a year in a family friendly subspecialty of medicine working 9-5, is intelligent, etc. Has a nice face, slim/nice figure, tan etc.

Or....

Marrying a "10" who just works a regular 30k/yr job, has a basic college degree, avg intelligence....but......has a perfect rack, perfect ass, perfect eyes/skin, and perfect face?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Men don't care about a woman's financial success. The only men I can think of are men of confidence... as in, con artists. Of course, also, you could say both women will end up looking the same.
 

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A "10" with financial backing. We look for the same traits that women look for in us.

It may sound shallow to some but, it is what it is.... we want to be "well off" and have tons of babies. That is our job, as a male species.

We can pretend that we're above that, but then all we are doing is taking up space in the human race.
 

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Assuming this is hypothetical...you need to ask yourself what is going to net you the most happiness. A wife with whom you can share intellectual interests and have a lot of common ground, or a wife who makes your d!ck hard every time you see her naked....

If you already make $300k a year, why are you concerned with her income? You have to weigh out all factors. Pretty women are great but they often don't make the best wives/gfs because they are lacking in other areas. It's kind of a zero-sum game. Do you want physical perfection and average intellect? Or do you want decent looks but a great intellect and more to offer overall...?
 

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Id go for the doc. I don't want to spend all my time explaining to "bimbo" why I'm investing my money instead of spending it,listening to her whine, and doing the poolboy because I didn't pay her enough attention[money]. 10's are used to having their way and will replace you at a moments notice -because they can. Then only making 30k, she's going to want alimony. The doc won't have a case for it,may be able to be reasoned with etc. genetically speaking, your sons will be better off. Your wife will know what it takes to run a buisiness[time etc.]

NOW if we were just talking sex/dating give me the 10
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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seth03 said:
Say you are a doc or a businessman making 300k+ a year. Whats better: Marrying an "7" who is a doctor and makes 250k+ a year in a family friendly subspecialty of medicine working 9-5, is intelligent, etc. Has a nice face, slim/nice figure, tan etc.

Or....

Marrying a "10" who just works a regular 30k/yr job, has a basic college degree, avg intelligence....but......has a perfect rack, perfect ass, perfect eyes/skin, and perfect face?
Girls who bring nothing to the table financially are fine. Girls who are not that highly educated are fine.

Us guys can tolerate that - just don't give us headaches

So the key thing is character. If a girl has relatively good character, that saves you all the headaches. So in your hypothetical situation, go with the girl who has better character.

Us men can bring home the bacon, us men are smart enough to get things done on our own without relying on the girl. Us men just don't want girls who CREATE even more problems and when girls have bad character, that's where the problems start.
 

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Depends. How flexible is the HB10?
 

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Not enough details but I'll jump in...

as long as the HB10 isn't wacked and doesn't have family / religion issues I'd take her first any day. She'll probably make a few good lookin' kids, be happy to be the barefoot pregnant type and will mostly likely appreciate her situation more in the end (unless she is of course wacked or has family issues).

In the end you won't be attracted to the doc and either you'll stray or be frustrated for years. Plus, she's got so much into her career (and her head being a doc) that she would most likely prefer to have a nanny or raising her own kids.

Plus, which one is more likely to sign a pre-nup :)
 

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Neither.

An entrepreneur making $300k per year doesn't have to be coerced into signing his life away to get everything he wants from women.
 

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Let us not forget Michael Noer's legendary polemic Forbes magazine article "Don't Marry Career Women":
Many factors contribute to a stable marriage, including the marital status of your spouse's parents (folks with divorced parents are significantly more likely to get divorced themselves), age at first marriage, race, religious beliefs and socio-economic status. And, of course, many working women are indeed happily and fruitfully married--it's just that they are less likely to be so than nonworking women. And that, statistically speaking, is the rub.

To be clear, we're not talking about a high school dropout minding a cash register. For our purposes, a "career girl" has a university-level (or higher) education, works more than 35 hours a week outside the home and makes more than $30,000 a year.

If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy (Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do (Social Forces, 2006). You will be unhappy if they make more money than you do (Journal of Marriage and Family, 2001). You will be more likely to fall ill (American Journal of Sociology). Even your house will be dirtier (Institute for Social Research).

Why? Well, despite the fact that the link between work, women and divorce rates is complex and controversial, much of the reasoning is based on a lot of economic theory and a bit of common sense. In classic economics, a marriage is, at least in part, an exercise in labor specialization. Traditionally, men have tended to do "market" or paid work outside the home, and women have tended to do "nonmarket" or household work, including raising children. All of the work must get done by somebody, and this pairing, regardless of who is in the home and who is outside the home, accomplishes that goal. Nobel laureate Gary S. Becker argued that when the labor specialization in a marriage decreases--if, for example, both spouses have careers--the overall value of the marriage is lower for both partners because less of the total needed work is getting done, making life harder for both partners and divorce more likely. And, indeed, empirical studies have concluded just that.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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When you with a 7, you want a 10.

When your with a 10, you want her to be more like the 7.

7's work that bit harder to keep you.

10's think you have to keep them -

Yeh they look great on the arm when your out, but most 10's probably wont be bringing you your lunch and asking you if you want another coffee or a beer from the fridge -

So yeh, when your sleeping with a 7 you want her to look like a 10.

When your sleeping with a 10, you want her to act like the 7.

You have more chance turning the 7 up a notch, by getting her to dress sexier or loose some waight.

You'd be hard pressed to get a 10 to do what a 7 will do unless you have solid game in the sense she knows your a A Catch -
 

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Considering that my girl is a "7" on her good days and she makes around 12k american dollars a year, it would be an upgrade for me either way.
 

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SXS said:
Considering that my girl is a "7" on her good days and she makes around 12k american dollars a year, it would be an upgrade for me either way.

haha dude thats funny as hell
 

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You would choose the one that treats you with respect, no drama and who adores you and whom you don't have to support. Not who has the better ass.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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7, 8, 9, 10, I dated them all and I could care less.

What's important is her upbringing, compatibility and respect.

As long as the foundation is firmly planted, looks above 7+ are negotiable.
 

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Rogue said:
Let us not forget Michael Noer's legendary polemic Forbes magazine article "Don't Marry Career Women":
Cosign.

I don't WANT a chick who is looking to climb the corporate ladder.

Dated one a couple of years ago who makes absolute bank in sales and it's fun letting her pick up the tap more often than you do, but it doesn't make my d!ck any harder for her.

guru1000 said:
7, 8, 9, 10, I dated them all and I could care less.

What's important is her upbringing, compatibility and respect.

As long as the foundation is firmly planted, looks above 7+ are negotiable.
I would simplify my list to "femininity" and "compatibility". Good upbringing and respect are two traits that are requisite of being feminine.
 

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Don't bother with hypotheticals.

seth03 said:
Say you are a doc or a businessman making 300k+ a year. Whats better: Marrying an "7" who is a doctor and makes 250k+ a year in a family friendly subspecialty of medicine working 9-5, is intelligent, etc. Has a nice face, slim/nice figure, tan etc.

Or....

Marrying a "10" who just works a regular 30k/yr job, has a basic college degree, avg intelligence....but......has a perfect rack, perfect ass, perfect eyes/skin, and perfect face?
 

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evesman said:
Don't bother with hypotheticals.
It's not. I have 2 girls I've been seeing on and off that I could choose to pursue things further with...and they fall into those categories. One is a model (literally)...but only works as a bartender at 3 different clubs/lounges in the city, and has a basic college degree, the other is a really good looking med student (but not model quality) about to start her residency. Her income is projected. I get along with both really well.

I am trying to figure out a way to post pictures in a way that I can take them down within a few days, but I don't have enough time to bull**** around with picture uploading websites. Maybe I'll save that for another post when I am on the verge of getting engaged or something crazy like that.
 

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I think it would be easier for me to find a horse with wings than a woman who makes 300k a year. The topic is asking a question about what's better, but I am sure that in the end you are not going to be forever with any of them, so I'd say, pick the woman with money, suck whatever you can, then move on to chase 10s or 9s or whatever.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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