"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
What would you consider SHORT?
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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seriously, dude?Toast123 said:
d!ckmojo
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average = 5'10
tall = 6'2
Mike32ct
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^This.d!ckmojo said:
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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Tall above 6FT
Purefilth
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Bible_Belt
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The height that makes you get a complex about it.
d!ckmojo
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Kids are tall these days... it ain't no thang for young guys to be 6'6, but for most guys, 6'2 is still considered pretty tall, and 5'11 is quite average. (I said 5'10 was average in my previous post, but a 5'11 dude in the morning would be 5'10 at night...)Kerpal said:
I go to the website celebheights.com quite a lot. Its got nice discussions on famous dudes' heights.
For an indication of how 5'11 is an average height, celebheights lists Brad Pitt at 5'11, Michael Fassbender 5'11, Orlando Bloom (who's wifey is smokin hawt) at 5'10.5, and Matt Damon at 5'10 flat.
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Of course, women may exaggerate it a bit, (especially since women are getting much taller these days too), but even if you are 5'8'', you are still taller than most women.
If a woman is hung up on your height, then forget her
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
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I find I'm probably on the short side of average among males my age, but it's nothing to worry about.
Floyd Mayweather is like 5ft 7, do you think he walks around feeling sorry for himself?
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Muscular guys usually seems taller since they "fill" space, while I noticed that many guys that were taller than me actually looked my height or short if not close to compare.
Also personality plays a role, dominant man looks taller even if they are not.
And dont forget your body posture as well, most of men could get a inch only by filling their lungs and walk straight.
Regarding your question I agree with d1ckmojo, just considering slight difference between countries actually, tall in spain is average in holland.
The bottom line is that women only care about your height if you care. They seem to be content if you're taller than them. I'm sure some taller women have shot me down because I'm short, but I've also hooked up with girls a couple inches taller.
I consider like 5'10"ish pretty normal.
5'9 is average. Anything over is considered tall. Anything under is considered short.
5'10 is two inches away from being 6 feet. Hardly short, or average.
VladPatton
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
BadNews
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Agreed. In fact I have female friends who have 6ft as a requirement for any men they date hahahaha.TonyBaloney said:
Bible_Belt
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Even at an amateur level, maybe it's because of the weight classes, there are more short fighters than tall. Wrestling is the same way, especially at collegiate levels. You don't see many tall guys. But at the same time, from what I've seen at least, most of them seem to do fine with women.