What role do YOU play nowadays for women ? Provider, protector, performer or puppet?

[Divorced w 3]

The typical married man in the United States is a provider. He's a beta male whose primary utility to his woman is additional revenue into the household. In a lot of cases, the married woman is also working a job.

A married man might not have started out as a provider. There's a process that happens in long-term relationships called "beta-ization". Men often become more and more beta as time passes in relationships. This is a part of the idea that I'm most known for promoting on SoSuave, which is the idea that relationships enter a decay phase around the 3-5 year point in time. It's possible that a married man initially attracted a woman on the basis of being either a protector or performer.

Beta males fall into the provider and puppet roles most commonly.

I desire to be a sexual performer. I want to be around for my sex appeal. In this framework, I position myself to women as a performer.

How do you feel about women who are not looking for marriage but are content with an exclusive relationship in perpetuity, in which they financially contribute, relative to their share of income and wealth?

 

[BeExcellent]

Mmmmhhhhh......Now that you mention it, my woman actually calls me "Your Majesty" with a very specific tone of voice from time to time. Specifically when Im doing whatever the f0ck I want (which is possibly quite often). Might be some sort of test? I just laugh it off; Agree & Amplify. I keep getting laid whenever I want so Im assuming Im passing all sorts of tests. Im interested in @BeExcellent ´s perspective on this "Your Majesty" thing.



Im the provider and protector (and some sort of King, apparently). Women should the be the performer/puppet to keep things balanced.

She addresses you this way as a tongue in cheek reference to you being the soveriegn leader of your domain. It is playful and respectful I imagine rather than sarcastic and disrespectful, only you know the tone.

 

[SW15]

How do you feel about women who are not looking for marriage but are content with an exclusive relationship in perpetuity, in which they financially contribute, relative to their share of income and wealth?

It depends on the specifics of the relationship.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4
NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.

Shacking Up

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4 NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months. You are utterly powerless in this situation. NEVE…

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I haven't lived with girlfriends because I believe in Iron Rule of Tomassi #4.

 

[Bible_Belt]

It's OVER for PeasantCels.

If she leaves when the money disappears, that means she was a prostitute all along.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

That's a good one and I actually do think you are right.

I geuss the performer is the artist, the rockstar, in he eyes, the type of man who "gets her to do things outside of her box".

The puppet might be the safety blanket, the friend who is there for her . Obviously all forms contain some form of mutual attraction.

I would say I'm a "performer" based on your definition in post #13, and @AmsterdamAssassin would fit that role too.

I think there's some potential confusion with board members thinking "dancing monkey" when they think of "performer".

 

[MatureDJ]

It depends on the specifics of the relationship.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4
NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months.

Shacking Up

Iron Rule of Tomassi #4 NEVER under any circumstance live with a woman you aren’t married to or are not planning to marry in within 6 months. You are utterly powerless in this situation. NEVE…

therationalmale.com

I haven't lived with girlfriends because I believe in Iron Rule of Tomassi #4.

I haven't lived with girlfriends because I have always gotten dumped early on.

 

[Mike32ct]

I haven't lived with girlfriends because I have always gotten dumped early on.

My house is a sub-5. Chicks probably don’t want to move in.

It needs home-improvement-maxxing to get it up to low tier normie standards.

 

[SW15]

I haven't lived with girlfriends because I have always gotten dumped early on.

How quickly were you dumped? Getting dumped early on before a relationship could reach a point where moving in would be a discussion is one way to avoid living with a woman. It's not the best way to avoid that situation. Your description is a situation where a man seems like to get dropped before he can even have sex in an interaction.

Based on some of your descriptions from multiple threads over time, you seem to get eliminated before the "Define the Relationship" conversations happen in interactions. You were getting eliminated prior to sex in conventional dating.

It seems like a lot of your initial approaches were ignored and the few dates you had were "one date, no sex, no second dates".

A lot of your dates in the United States happened before the rise of the internet-based dating.

According to this framework, you were probably nothing in the United States because your interactions weren't even getting off the ground.

It's possible you were being perceived as a provider (STEM job with some $$) or a puppet.

My house is a sub-5. Chicks probably don’t want to move in.

It needs home-improvement-maxxing to get it up to low tier normie standards.

By this description, it would seem like you would have a much bigger problem than women moving in.

If women see your house, they might get turned off right away and not even want sex with you. They might not even want an exclusive dating relationship with you.

Women can be judgmental in the early stages about a man's home (rented or owned) and his home furnishings. Men have lost sexual opportunities over this.

You have both a home problem and a Norwood scale balding problem to fix in order to get vagina.

 

[Mike32ct]

By this description, it would have a much bigger problem that women moving in.

If women see your house, they might get turned off right away and not even want sex with you. They might not even want an exclusive dating relationship with you.

Women can be judgmental in the early stages about a man's home (rented or owned) and his home furnishings. Men have lost sexual opportunities over this.

You have both a home problem and a Norwood scale balding problem to fix in order to get vagina.

Spot on with both.

My head is buzzed. Might shave it clean, but will otherwise just own it. Not inclined to do surgery at my age, but your point is well taken.

The house is paid off, which is the only reason I keep it. I was stalling on home improvement work because I work a lot of hours (at home). But it can’t wait anymore. I have to make time for the projects.

Chick friends don’t mind the house. One even stayed over multiple times. But I 100% agree that they disqualify on sex/relationship if the house/apartment is not up to par. Yes, a guy can theoretically get friendzoned or ghosted based on his place alone.

 

[SW15]

My head is buzzed. Might shave it clean, but will otherwise just own it. Not inclined to do surgery at my age, but your point is well taken.

I am Norwood 1-1.5 at my early 40s age. This is something I'm watching closely. I don't need surgery yet for my hair. No bad bald spots yet.

I want to keep my hair as I age.

I want to be perceived as the attractive guy who is the sexual performer in this framework proposed in the thread.

The house is paid off, which is the only reason I keep it. I was stalling on home improvement work because I work a lot of hours (at home). But it can’t wait anymore. I have to make time for the projects.

A paid off house is good.

The appearance of a home from the outside matters a lot and the reputation of the neighborhood.

When I envision your house, I'm envisioning an older house in a mediocre older neighborhood with mainly older housing stock.

Different regions of the USA have different perceptions of the age of housing. You're on the East Coast, where older housing stock is more favorably viewed.

I'm in the Southwestern USA and that region has experienced a lot of growth in recent decades.

In the Southwestern USA, housing from the 1950s-1970s would be considered old and outdated. Women might see homes and apartments from this era and be sexually turned off.

In New York City, a home or apartment from that era isn't perceived as old or outdated because New York City is an older city than Dallas, Houston, Denver, or Phoenix.

100% agree that they disqualify on sex/relationship if the house/apartment is not up to par. Yes, a guy can theoretically get friendzoned or ghosted based on his place alone.

Yes, that can happen and it does happen.

I have had it happen to me in a previous apartment.

Having a top tier physique can help with not getting disqualified over the exterior/interior of housing.

Chick friends don’t mind the house. One even stayed over multiple times.

I don't have any female friends right now. Female friends are less judgmental than potential female dating/sexual options.

The opinions of female friends don't carry that much weight.

 

[jhonny9546]

My current girlfriend has been ride or die

What does this mean?