What makes men of value: Work

[jhonny9546]

I have read a lot in this forum, but I have never seen a post that encompasses the professions of us members here.

By "profession," I mean what we have successfully pursued since we took the red pill, or at least since a turning point in our past, such as a breakup or a divorce. This journey has shaped us into men of value, both in our own eyes, as it enhances our self-worth, and in how it can be perceived by others on an objective level. The "work" activities you engage in every day, whether they involve running a business, your profession, a job, or something else.*

*We are not talking about feeling judged or caring about others' opinions, but rather understanding objectively why you consider yourselves men of value compared to others, whether you are comparing yourselves to those in your city, social circle, or nation, and how your "work" help that image of you.

 

[jhonny9546]

My current job position is manager at a company that sells various products. I earn a salary in the top 40% of my country (so let's say I'm in the middle). So I don't see me as a man of value in terms of "resources" from my job.

I was offered a top manager position (near CEO, who is his father) in my girlfriend's business (administrative in real estate). However, I worry that accepting this role might make me feel subordinate to her. The salary would place me in the top 5% in my country, but I need to think more about this opportunity. Would you take it?

 

[Slowhandluke]

My current job position is manager at a company that sells various products. I earn a salary in the top 40% of my country (so let's say I'm in the middle). So I don't see me as a man of value in terms of "resources" from my job.

As long as there is an equal number or men and women; AND women want to pair up in an monogamous relationship; most men will have value to a girl. After all, most women do NOT want to be lonely in old age. Also, most Chads do not want to be with old women...

 

[Westminster]

My current job position is manager at a company that sells various products. I earn a salary in the top 40% of my country (so let's say I'm in the middle). So I don't see me as a man of value in terms of "resources" from my job.

I was offered a top manager position (near CEO, who is his father) in my girlfriend's business (administrative in real estate). However, I worry that accepting this role might make me feel subordinate to her. The salary would place me in the top 5% in my country, but I need to think more about this opportunity. Would you take it?

Probably not. Currently, you're independent, the master of your own destiny. You enter her frame if you take that job, you become dependent on her. I don't like the sound of that.

 

[jhonny9546]

Probably not. Currently, you're independent, the master of your own destiny. You enter her frame if you take that job, you become dependent on her. I don't like the sound of that.

It's tempting because of the social and economic position, as well as the work-life balance it would provide me. I could become a father much more easily and have my children with her. Additionally, she has made her house available. (She's so rich, compared to the median women).
We will not get married, but I believe that in the event of a possible separation, I could start my own company in the same profession (it's a professional field), so I would not lose my career.
This is why is tempting.

Unfortunately, as anything, we have to consider the consequences of our actions.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

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[ThisIsSparta]

As long as there is an equal number or men and women; AND women want to pair up in an monogamous relationship; most men will have value to a girl. After all, most women do NOT want to be lonely in old age. Also, most Chads do not want to be with old women...

Well, no.

As long as women get free attention and told they are all just beautiful, special and their shyt smells of roses, they will remain convinced that they deserve better (dating up) then the average man.

Also, women might not want to be alone in old age, but that doesnt mean they are not going to get pumped and dumped until they end up being to old for Chads attention and settle frustrated for a provider.

So..... you either be of value to women or end up in the invisible mass, waiting to pick up whats left after the hoe phase.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Well, no.

As long as women get free attention and told they are all just beautiful, special and their shyt smells of roses, they will remain convinced that they deserve better (dating up) then the average man.

you assume women are stupid... and do not learn from their surrounding. this may or may not be the case, but i do hear a lot of women no longer want a F boy... so... who knows.??

besides, those women that reproduce will have daughters that are more likely to have the qualities like their mom which since their mom found someone, means the trait of being less selective is more likely to be passed on. sooner or later, mother nature will punishment women for being irrationally picky.

Also, women might not want to be alone in old age, but that doesnt mean they are not going to get pumped and dumped until they end up being to old for Chads attention and settle frustrated for a provider.

So..... you either be of value to women or end up in the invisible mass, waiting to pick up whats left after the hoe phase.

less men are getting into relationships. I don't think there are that many men "picking up whats left after the hoe phase".

just because there is a healthy meal on the table, but a lot of women decide to take the dessert on the counter instead, doesnt make the healthy meal intrinsically less valuable OR valueless the meal is still healthy and still has value

 

[pipeman84]

I don't think being a true alpha is correlated with how much money one earns. And if one is attracting women with money, but he believes they actually love him, then he's to be pitied.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Work will set you free, OP.

 

[plumber]

My current job position is manager at a company that sells various products. I earn a salary in the top 40% of my country (so let's say I'm in the middle). So I don't see me as a man of value in terms of "resources" from my job.

why not? you earn more than 60% of the people.

how much would you need to earn to be a man of value?
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at every income and net worth level there are competitors. only about one person does not have a competitor for the most wealthy at any one time. you will find that as your income increase and "hopefully" your net worth you will have competitors and not much changes. your stuff around you will get different and your confidence may increase... net worth is more important than income....

at your current income if you spend time with people that earn in the bottom 20% you will be a man of value based on money. for whatever that is worth.

if you earn in the top 5% you will have the same issues as now relating to wanting to stand out if you hang with the other 5%.

 

[Slowhandluke]

at every income and net worth level there are competitors.

This can also be said for females. For every level of attractiveness, a woman will also have competitors. However, if you think about it as "matching" and not about competing then for every level of attractiveness, there will be a man at "her level".

All the young hot A-list actress, will naturally match with all the hot men in their social circle. They will rarely if ever date outside this circle. Who you are will dictate who is in your dating range. If you are hot, you will probably date other hot people. If you are average, you will probably date and match with other average people. If you aim too high, you will get "used" or if you aim to low, you will be unhappy because you will feel "you deserve better".

SoooOOooo don't think about it as competition, but more about "matching". If you want a better "match", you will have to better yourself (this may or may not be possible). At the end of the day, the dating game is constrained by the fact there is basically an equal number of men and number of women.. and in general people (especially women) aspire to have longterm relationships not withstanding the temporary lustful urges that all people tend to get every now and then.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That sounds almost like something to put on a gate to a labour camp...

It sounded better in German.

 

[Gamisch]

It sounded better in German.

Arbeit macht FREI!!!!!

 

[BillyPilgrim]

It sounded better in German.

Too bad Falco never made a rap song to it.

 

[jhonny9546]

I don't think being a true alpha is correlated with how much money one earns.

You want to earn money to be a man with resources. However, there is something within this man that signifies success, something like an aura. It’s the "confidence" that comes from being successful.

at your current income if you spend time with people that earn in the bottom 20% you will be a man of value based on money. for whatever that is worth.

As a man, you always want to strive for the better, and never settle. Or better said: use your actual comfort zone to risk and build new things. This is how I would see it.

 

[Slowhandluke]

As a man, you always want to strive for the better, and never settle. Or better said: use your actual comfort zone to risk and build new things. This is how I would see it.

Some men are good at just raising a family/kids.. They don't want to compete for the "corner office" or play office politics and work 80hrs a week. They just do their jobs. They go home to their loving wife.. and they do that for 80+ years and they are happy. Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone can lead.. not everyone wants to. Not all wives want to be married to a husband who is never around because he's too busy trying to start a busy. It is what it is....

 

[jhonny9546]

Some men are good at just raising a family/kids.. They don't want to compete for the "corner office" or play office politics and work 80hrs a week. They just do their jobs. They go home to their loving wife.. and they do that for 80+ years and they are happy. Nothing wrong with that. Not everyone can lead.. not everyone wants to. Not all wives want to be married to a husband who is never around because he's too busy trying to start a busy. It is what it is....

This comment opens up some perspectives, because it is so true!
It leaves with a perfect example of some families I know, they are successful, have kids and run a family business. So, a complete package. Not one in particular, but I know more than 10.
Now, this is a seduction forum, but this POV may sounds interesting.

He and she work in the same company, he is the boss, and she also takes care of the family, so she may work fewer hours than him, to dedicate time to the kids and the house.
Then all together at home from afternoon to evening, or on holidays.
Besides having a great balance and comfort with work/home, you enjoy the kids, you may earn more than two normal employee jobs, you know your wife is not sucking the cod of the coworker from another job, you have time for other things.

I don't know if this is popular in the US. But if I'm not mistaken, in Japan it worked for years, expecially in the afterwar, usually people would open the shop under the house, and that's how they raised the family. In Italy there are accounting firms, bars, shops, pizzerias, restaurants, tire dealers, smorzo, tobacconists, who work this way, and families are very close, because there are fewer distractions and more social stigma in doing "your own thing". There's still the "family culture". So women are much more at bay.
Also, you as a man run a business that you could leave to your son if you wanted to.

Instead I have seen many relationships end because women are weak and become infatuated with other people in other places the frequent: so, the workplace, the social circle, the environment, play a crucial role in defining the "woman". I have seen women with BPD and how and who they are change accordingly on their environment.

They go home to their loving wife..

You must be good at spotting her, and also lucky.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Yep: If you desire something, you have to almost always exert some effort to achieve it, this is true. Even not peeing your pants requires that you find some way to get to the commode