"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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What if a girl you are getting to know asks you for favors?

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Inspired by my latest thread I really would like to know your opinions on this subject.

By a girl you are getting to know I mean someone you texted or talked on the phone but never met. By favors I mean not a very small thing but something that requires a bit of work. In my case it was translating some documents for her.

Is this a good or a bad sign? Does that mean she is attracted to you or is this a sh1t-test or manipulation tactic? Would a girl who is really attracted to you ask you for favors so early on?

How would you handle a situation like this? If you say no or ask for something in return, she might see you as the bad guy who didn't help her? If you say yes she might see you as some beta chump who is doing favors without getting something back?

I would be happy about every opinion!
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Inspired by my latest thread I really would like to know your opinions on this subject.

By a girl you are getting to know I mean someone you texted or talked on the phone but never met. By favors I mean not a very small thing but something that requires a bit of work. In my case it was translating some documents for her.

Is this a good or a bad sign? Does that mean she is attracted to you or is this a sh1t-test or manipulation tactic? Would a girl who is really attracted to you ask you for favors so early on?

How would you handle a situation like this? If you say no or ask for something in return, she might see you as the bad guy who didn't help her? If you say yes she might see you as some beta chump who is doing favors without getting something back?

I would be happy about every opinion!
Why would someone do labor intensive favors for strangers?

Her request is nervy.
 

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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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This is just my experience but every girl that’s ever been interested in me has never asked me for a damn thing. On the flip side the ones that always had some favor to ask were never into me more than a friend or acquaintance. Women will always try to get girlfriend benefits without being your girlfriend though.
 

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Wasn't this answered in your last thread? Why create a new one to discuss it again?

 

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Inspired by my latest thread I really would like to know your opinions on this subject.

By a girl you are getting to know I mean someone you texted or talked on the phone but never met. By favors I mean not a very small thing but something that requires a bit of work. In my case it was translating some documents for her.

Is this a good or a bad sign? Does that mean she is attracted to you or is this a sh1t-test or manipulation tactic? Would a girl who is really attracted to you ask you for favors so early on?

How would you handle a situation like this? If you say no or ask for something in return, she might see you as the bad guy who didn't help her? If you say yes she might see you as some beta chump who is doing favors without getting something back?

I would be happy about every opinion!
It means you are spending way too much time fixating on a woman you haven't met and are acting like a prototypical "nice guy" that is going to get you absolutely nowhere sexually except frustrated and friend zoned.

Stop "getting to know them" over the phone. Do that in person ASAP once you start messaging/talking to them.
 

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A girl you never met asking for big favors is a red flag. Stay away from her.
IMO it should be a sign that OP is portraying himself in a way that a woman sees the opportunity to use him.

This is the type of feedback that is very useful if OP actually wants to learn from his mistakes and stop this type of behaviour from happening.

It's happening because he is encouraging it to happen.
 

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Personally, I don't date women unless they ask me to translate papers and change their oil, otherwise I won't think they're serious.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I once had a girl ask me to come fix her car after I had fuhked her a few times. I told her sorry, I'm busy. I never called her again. Biatch thought I was a free mobile mechanic. Hell no.

Had another one ask me to hang a tv on the wall. I had been out with her twice, taken her to dinner, but no sex. I cut her off after that.

Get some damn standards.
 

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No favors for women that are not your girlfriend, fiancé, wife, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, or niece.

The only exception is a professional related, job relevant favor for a female colleague. Even those you may decline at your discretion.
Simply THIS.

Let me tell you this: A few months ago, I banged this pilates teacher, and the moment she asked me to buy her a handbag, I dropped her.

To be exact, the convo went on sth like this:

Chick: "Hey buy me this"
Me: "Wow the pricetag's a bit high"
Chick: "Jeez it's only 200 bucks"

I thought to myself, b!tch, I ain't your ATM, if it's "only 200 bucks", why the fvck don't you buy it yourself? So I just deleted her right off of my contact list, and moved the fvck on. She didn't bother to contact me ever since.

So yeah, you don't owe b!tches anything.
 

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I will parrot what another poster said, women who sincerely like you will actively do YOU favors with no expectation of reciprocity.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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How would you handle a situation like this? If you say no or ask for something in return, she might see you as the bad guy who didn't help her? If you say yes she might see you as some beta chump who is doing favors without getting something back?
Third option: Say nothing, it will speak volumes about what you think of it.

Your questions seems focused on how she will see you. That's really secondary to what you think of her. You haven't even met her and she's already asking favors? That would definitely be overstepping my boundaries, who cares what she thinks of you?
 

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Is this a good or a bad sign? Does that mean she is attracted to you or is this a sh1t-test or manipulation tactic? Would a girl who is really attracted to you ask you for favors so early on?
No offence man but you are 37 years old and you are asking this question? You must have led a very sheltered life. How could it ever be a good sign when a person you are not close with is asking you for money or favours?
 
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I once had a girl ask me to come fix her car after I had fuhked her a few times. I told her sorry, I'm busy. I never called her again. Biatch thought I was a free mobile mechanic. Hell no.

Had another one ask me to hang a tv on the wall. I had been out with her twice, taken her to dinner, but no sex. I cut her off after that.

Get some damn standards.
Good for you. 90% of men would have said yes to those requests. One of the perks of being an attractive female is that you've got a bunch of willing simps at your service.
 

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Maybe a conversion chart should be proposed and accepted by society.
1 lay = dinner
2 lays = grabbing something at the store on the way to meet with reimbursement
5 lays = hanging tv or favors of equal effort
finding attractive female friend to engage in threesome = helping move / fixing car of problems that requires 3 hours of labor or less.
Do anything I want for a month = asking to borrow money or expecting me to pay for **** when we aren’t dating.
 
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