"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Metro3pilot

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started talking to a girl at applebees last week pretty cute 6 or 7 with a group of friends isolated her ..... but I failed to number close that night .... she kept saying I hang out here a lot hope to see you again blah blah blah

during our chat she started talking about where she works JC penny and what department she worked in

my question is it stalker like to try and number close her at work or what ? ? ?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Well, that's the real trick isn't it?

New to the board, but I've read through the rest of the site and it's great. Ultimately I think it's ideal to grab the number at the first opportunity - but, as with anything in this area it's not 100% definate. Swing by in a couple days, see if you can find her. Maybe give it one or two more go's. Obviously the dangers are apparent. You don't want to dig yourself into the mental trap of wanting her, and her alone to the exclusion of other women. - chasing her too actively will put you at risk for that sort of obsessive behavior. And secondly you don't want to appear to desperate to her, by chasing her and pining for a meet up - definately not the Don Juan mentality.
 

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Whoa, you do not need to isolate in order to number close. Isolate if you want to move her to a different location.

Number closing in front of her friends offers several advantages. It displays confidence and activates her commitment/consistency mechanism. Her friends saw her give you her number, they will want details later. This sets up an interesting dynamic that helps you in your first phone convo. Of course what you do then is up to you.

Short answer to your question, number closing a woman at her workplace is not stalker behavior. So go and get her number already.
 
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