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BackInTheGame78

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It seems like the general consensus here is that she's a "dinner wh0re". That's fair. But even if it is the case, OP had his foot in the door, and had a chance to flip it around. (Well, before he crashed and burned I mean.) It's a lot easier to redirect the frame while in person, which is something she already agreed to.

Imagine all the men she's turned down, or left on read. OP actually got a reply, and while I agree she isn't a "quality" chick, she could had been a nice lay. A lot of guys here are calling her ugly, but I would clap those cheeks any day of the week. She looks fun.
If that chick is ugly I'm the president of the United States.
 

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She sounds like she wants to stack the deck entirely in her favor, like a date where the only thing that happens is you spend money buying her what she wants and listening to her talk about herself.

Red flag #1: I can't drink alcohol

Red flag #2: wanting a dinner date at a restaurant over anything else.

But if you wanted to date her you should've agreed to take her somewhere nice then take her to a cheap restaurant that doesn't look obviously cheap. Somewhere with $15-20 meals perhaps.
Why would she not drinking alcohol be a red flag?
 

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These girls are brought up to be princesses.
There is only two ways to fvck.
1...they think you are sexy.
2 ... You treat them like a princess.


I don't treat them like princess.
If OP was handsome....there would have not been a post about this.
 

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These girls are brought up to be princesses.
There is only two ways to fvck.
1...they think you are sexy.
2 ... You treat them like a princess.


I don't treat them like princess.
If OP was handsome....there would have not been a post about this.
Ahh I had a princess once. Good times good times
 

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Let me get this straight, she wants a "gentleman" but her profile is full of half naked photos on her social media? If a woman wants to be treated like a proper lady, she needs to act like one.

A lot of women get a thrill out of rejecting and putting down the men they find undesirable. If all the undesirable men suddenly vanished there’d only be the men who either use or reject women left. The relationship between undesirable men and the women who reject them is a symbiotic relationship. Part of the reason so many women have such a high view of themselves is because they have so many men they’re okay with rejecting.
 

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Why would she not drinking alcohol be a red flag?
It would be easier to bang her and have a good time with her in general if she was drunk.

The tone of OP's girl seemed like it was all business no pleasure for her. Which makes me think not drinking is calculated to railroad OP into buying a free dinner without getting anywhere with the girl.
 

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She said it herself... "... getting used to" I bet the dinners she went on before op, amounted to a guys spending his money and nothing else.
 

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. A lot of guys here are calling her ugly, but I would clap those cheeks any day of the week. She looks fun.
Agree, she's one of the more attractive looking women (phyiscally at least) from pics of 'infield' women posted on here.

Whether she's 'quality' remains to be seen of course, and probably is a bit of a tw4t judging by the way she poses/holds herself, physically she looks hot to me.
 

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Advice from the old lady:

You lost when you made a suggestion after her low interest response. Or she gamed you.

Maybe. Where would you like to take me?

See how she expresses lukewarm interest here and then starts qualifying you? She’s interested dependent on where you go.

No Bueno.

Proper response = Look sweetheart that’s nice & all. I have plans at XYZ (place convenient to you). You should meet me.

That makes her bail earlier for low interest or make an investment to see you.

You jumped through hoops too many times trying to qualify yourself. Ugh.

Next.
 

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But even if it is the case, OP had his foot in the door, and had a chance to flip it around.
How could OP flip it around?
 

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She is the type where if she wants casual sex with you she has to have dinner first, it is ASD. And she doesn't want to go on a pseudo platonic coffee date with you without sex. If she wanted a relationship with you she would be less demanding or willing to be confrontational, and more willing to take it slow. On the other hand, she could be a pure user.

You're definitely not wrong to be screening her as a user, I am just saying that some foreign women are avoiding being seen as a cheap lay as a primary driver.
 

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Texted a latina girl in IG, after a short convo proposed to meet. She is 7/8 - not a dime for me. Below is our conversation:

Me: Are you free tonight?
Her: Maybe. Where would you like to take me?
Me: There is one hipster pub close to center
Her: I can’t drink alcohol. I prefer somewhere more relax.
Me: Coffee?
Her: No. A restaurant where we don’t have that much noise
Me: I do not go on dinners on the first date
Her: I do. That’s what gentleman should do At least that’s what I am getting used to.
Me: So you define if the guy is a gentleman if he brings to you to a fancy place?
Her: Who says it has to be fancy. I define a gentleman a man who takes his time to take me somewhere. A coffee is something I can do anytime
Me: Too bad. Cause I love coffee meeting that people can do anytime
Her: Enjoy your coffee then

I do consider her as a typical chick who is looking for guy. So no reply from my side.

What do you think?
Hold your frame. The fact is, you said you dont take girls on dinner dates means you cannot offer that to her. What you should do now is either go on a date with another girl OR go out somewhere cool and post it on social media. You should be doing that anyway to show off your lifestyle but she will see it and think she wants to be a part of it too
 

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It means she's hiding something that will come out when drunk, unless she's religious.
Im pretty sure, that everyone has a secret. It's the same with drugs, not everyone take drugs or drinks alcohol. I wouldn't see that as a red flag, but would take it in consideration, if she was lying
 

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It would be easier to bang her and have a good time with her in general if she was drunk.

The tone of OP's girl seemed like it was all business no pleasure for her. Which makes me think not drinking is calculated to railroad OP into buying a free dinner without getting anywhere with the girl.
Regardless, wouldn't a meet up even with low interest be a good opportunity to build attraction? Since he is Redpill/DonJuan aware he can stand out from other guys. I think its worth to try, but find it suspicious as well, that she would only meet for a restaurant. I don't know, but I get the narcissistic vibes as well, she doesn't take his needs in consideration
 

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Advice from the old lady:

You lost when you made a suggestion after her low interest response. Or she gamed you.

Maybe. Where would you like to take me?

See how she expresses lukewarm interest here and then starts qualifying you? She’s interested dependent on where you go.

No Bueno.

Proper response = Look sweetheart that’s nice & all. I have plans at XYZ (place convenient to you). You should meet me.

That makes her bail earlier for low interest or make an investment to see you.

You jumped through hoops too many times trying to qualify yourself. Ugh.

Next.
Where exactly I was qualifying myself to her?
 

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Im pretty sure, that everyone has a secret. It's the same with drugs, not everyone take drugs or drinks alcohol. I wouldn't see that as a red flag, but would take it in consideration, if she was lying
Alcohol is more ubiquitous and the fact that clubbing and alcohol consumption are totally consistent with this woman's superficial values as are apparent by her Instagram makes you wonder why it is that she can't tolerate alcohol. Trump is a good example, it's absurd that he spent decades and nightclubs and casinos without touching a drop of alcohol. We know it's because he cannot chemically tolerate it due to his family genes, and I'm sure he would run his mouth with his narcissism unleashed on alcohol. This doesn't mean that it's wrong for him to not drink, it just means something more than just personal preference.

Often people's true nature comes out with alcohol. Many bipolar people cannot tolerate alcohol at all(or birth control, watch for that).

This doesn't mean that I think alcohol and birth control are such great things. I am just speaking from experience dating these types of women.
 
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Proper response = Look sweetheart that’s nice & all. I have plans at XYZ (place convenient to you). You should meet me.

That makes her bail earlier for low interest or make an investment to see you.

You jumped through hoops too many times trying to qualify yourself. Ugh.
Lol. This is girl trying to put herself in man's shoes, coming up with what she thinks an 1950s alpha male would say.

She not gonna respond well to that and then it'd be written off as "low interest"

The proper response is what I said in response to her, "I prefer somewhere more relaxed" on the first page of this thread.

I've written about this else where. Calling it Losing the (frame) battle to win the war.

Where exactly I was qualifying myself to her?
She just through that word in there. But what she means is getting into logical talk. Anti seductive
 
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