"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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What do people make of the "grey area"?

vorbis

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This refers mainly to club hookups. In the main I imagine this shouldn't be an issue for someone with a gf :D

So you're out, you meet someone and you end up going back to yours or theirs. Maybe theres a bit of a party and at about 3 AM you end up alone with her in a bed or on a couch.

Now theres black and white outcomes here. You make some moves, zero resistance and you screw her. Or you make your moves, she resists, you try again and she gets pissed at you.

However, I'm having moral issues with the grey area in between. Part of me feels that she's with me on a couch / bed at 3 AM so she's up for sex. Another part is uncomfortable with making really big moves if she seems unwilling. (e.g. taking off her panties)

As an example, I was with a girl on a couch and was fingering her. She didn't want to go farther as she was afraid someone would walk in. She used her hands to block me removing her pyjamas. In hindsight, I believe she would have gone along with it if I had aggressively removed them as she did the same thing when I tried to feel her breast.

So what do ye generally do? With some girls you get the feeling that they're not fully ok with having sex with you but won't kick up enough fuss to fully stop your advances. In no way am I suggesting physically overpowering her, thats rape. Its this in between area that confuses me.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

biker_gixxer

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I don't stick around until 3 AM. hoping to get some a$$. I'll make an apperance at the party, get her informtion then leave. There are to many obstacles to over come in that type of situation, unless you are dealing with a girl that is very $exual.
 

vorbis

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i should clarify. you meet a girl in bar / club and amybe end up going back to her place. Sometimes if she's got roommates, there might be a bit of drinking and smoking for a small whie when ye get back. Not exactly a party I suppose. By the time you're alone with the girl its about 3 AM.

Theres no hanging around as such. Also regards numbers, I find that if you don't do them that night, then follow up success is low. The type of girl you pick up at 1:30 AM in a bar / club is not looking for a relationship.
 
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