SamTheHobit
Master Don Juan
Sometimes I think the bad advice outweighs the good advice? Or am I just ignorant?
She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Dude, stop being such a wuss beta who cares what other dudes think. If you aren't man enough to grab your pair and take responsibility for your own actions, then you deserve the nothing you're gonna get.SamTheHobit said:Sometimes I think the bad advice outweighs the good advice? Or am I just ignorant?
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
So much of the advice here is bred from insecurity.. "She's talking to another guy".. Next, she's losing interest, if she was really that into you she wouldn't risk talking to other guys..The Gambler said:relationship sabotage
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Scars said:The fact that a lot of men here act like woman are a fvcking a math equation.
I think it's okay to break the rules sometimes, none of us are psychic. Your outcome could be totally different than somebody else. I truly believe it's far better to learn from experience. You can take someones advice, that's great. But the experience is what truly develops who you are.
I guess my biggest quarrel with "game" right now is that too many people lose sight of who they are. Don't take it to seriously, and use the advice given as a helping guide. Not an end-all-be-all.
-Scars
HalfAddict said:Anything that relies on the term alpha is bull**** advice.
Funny I was just think to myself this morning that I'm not really comfortable spinning plates. After my experience last week approaching, getting numbers, dating, I feel a lot more comfortable finding a nice girl to be my girlfriend and only having her until/if the relationship ends. When it does end, you can spin plates until you find another one that is good gf material. But to constantly be spinning plates I find it unnatural... however I'm sure there is a thread out there about overcoming this thought.PairPlusRoyalFlush said:Spin plates, it works but it also happened to be a time -honored hpd/npd/bpd strategy to avoid emotional attachment...i.e. Psychopathic behavior.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
fukoutdawhey said:Awesome Post BG
Developing empathy and learning how to socially vibe are the very first things a newbie should address.
Forget about escalation, frame control, and physicality.
If you're so trapped inside your head that you can't discern the emotions of others, or hold a conversation, you need to address those issues first.
Social IQ: How People Can Tell If You're "Normal"
Being able to vibe and express empathy are the qualities that sub-communicate to others that you're "Normal". These are the absolute basics of social intelligence.
Fun Little Quiz: How To Figure Out If You're "Normal" Or NOT
The next time you approach a girl, go into your body and feel the emotions inside.
If you feel relaxed and fulfilled in the presence of others, you're normal.
If you feel an outflow of positive energy when you speak, you're normal.
If you don't give a **** whether you're more alpha or dominant in the interaction, you're normal.
If you can look somebody in the eye and genuinely listen to them without feeling the urge to interrupt, you're normal.
If you enjoy chatting with people in general, whether that be the hot chick, or the old grandma, you're normal.
If you feel defensive when talking to others, you're ****ing weird.
If you constantly interrupt people because you're trapped inside your head, you're ****ing weird.
If you can't listen to somebody because you're thinking of the next thing to say, you're ****ing weird.
If you always feel the need to correct somebody, or make your point, you're ****ing weird.
If you find yourself judging, or rationalizing why you're cooler than somebody, you're ****ing weird.
If socializing in general doesn't pump your state, you're ****ing weird.
What Being "Normal" Really Means
What makes you "Normal" has nothing to do with fitting in, or allowing the environment to dictate your behavior.
Being "Normal" means that you have the empathy necessary to recognize how others are feeling, and the ability to project and share positive emotions.
Before you can be charismatic and dominant, you need to learn how to be "Normal".
YupMM92 said:I only skim through here, taking note mainly of those that I already know it would be worth reading what they put. Pimpsicle(?) for example. As soon as you work out who are the trolls, who is clueless and who knows what they're talking about the vast majority of what you read on here will be spot on
I was never good at "spinning plates" either, it tended to feel like more work than it was worth. I had better results when I picked a girl who appeared to have the most interest and focused on her. That was my goal anyway, a lot of guys here forget that not everyone comes here wanting to just bed as many women as possible (that's what PUA forums are for IMO). I believe that for every guy here asking how to avoid relationships and trying to build a harem of FWBs there's a guy who's wondering how to get a relationship going with just one woman. Some prefer quantity, others quality.Droz88 said:Funny I was just think to myself this morning that I'm not really comfortable spinning plates. After my experience last week approaching, getting numbers, dating, I feel a lot more comfortable finding a nice girl to be my girlfriend and only having her until/if the relationship ends. When it does end, you can spin plates until you find another one that is good gf material. But to constantly be spinning plates I find it unnatural... however I'm sure there is a thread out there about overcoming this thought.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.