"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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we've had sex for a month, now she wants to wait until marriage

terran2k

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.. you knowa big problem I see with guys that get all confused and fvcked over; they make excuses for the bad behavior their chics do; try to figure out some elaborate sh!t to excuse her.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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backbreaker said:
That is one thing I never understood about Christan

I was an atheist for years, but it wasn't because of lack of knowledge of the bible. I find it comical all the armchair Christans you see in church who don't know jack about the bible and god's word, pick and chose what they do and don't want to practice when it's convenient for them to do so, cherry picking out the bible.

I oblivious have a son out of wedlock, i'm not pro or anti sex before marriage per say, to each his own, but the difference I don't try to justify it with any bull**** like, it doesn't say it in the bible or, those laws are outdated, or something that will attempt to make me sleep at night. When i have premarital sex I know exactly what i am doing.

IF you a Christan god fearing person, as much as this forum doesn't want to hear it, you don't need to have sex before marriage. The bible clearly states, first Corinthians , versus 1 through 40ish that sex is to be saved for marriage. Many other places too but that's the main place in the bible that it's discussed. Clear as day.

So back to the OP... who hasn't had a laspe in judgement? I would never take a woman that says she wants to wait until she is married as losing intrest or being cynical. However, I would see if mjy values matched hers and if i was not willing to do that, wish her the best and move on.

God (if you are a Christian) does not give a damn about what is and is not practical, what is and is not hard, that has nothing to do with the word.

I bumped this, because this is something that is not really discussed, it's the elephant in the room. If you are a christian, this is something you really need to address. If you aren't you need to not waste a woman of deep religious faiths time or try to guilt her into doing something that she might regret. IF a woman is guilting you by using god as a reason to not have sex, i assure you she has bigger issues, than lack of interest.
While Christianity can't be boiled down to a set of rules, you are right. OP needs to call her out hard for her fake religion too.
But carry on, everyone, I'm not about to participate in a religion war.
 

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juan95 said:
IF you a Christan god fearing person, as much as this forum doesn't want to hear it, you don't need to have sex before marriage. The bible clearly states, first Corinthians , versus 1 through 40ish that sex is to be saved for marriage. Many other places too but that's the main place in the bible that it's discussed. Clear as day.
It's not as clear as you stated... I've read it as well and it doesn't say: Sex should be saved for married. So it's a interpretation made by the people following Christianity, but that doesn't mean that it's the true meaning.

As for OP, well the girl had sex before, so she broke the rule already there's really no point for her to wait for sex... Now I think as most of the posters on the thread that she's not interested...
 

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backbreaker said:
IF you a Christan god fearing person, as much as this forum doesn't want to hear it, you don't need to have sex before marriage. The bible clearly states, first Corinthians , versus 1 through 40ish that sex is to be saved for marriage. Many other places too but that's the main place in the bible that it's discussed. Clear as day.

So back to the OP... who hasn't had a laspe in judgement? I would never take a woman that says she wants to wait until she is married as losing intrest or being cynical. However, I would see if mjy values matched hers and if i was not willing to do that, wish her the best and move on.

God (if you are a Christian) does not give a damn about what is and is not practical, what is and is not hard, that has nothing to do with the word.

I bumped this, because this is something that is not really discussed, it's the elephant in the room. If you are a christian, this is something you really need to address. If you aren't you need to not waste a woman of deep religious faiths time or try to guilt her into doing something that she might regret. IF a woman is guilting you by using god as a reason to not have sex, i assure you she has bigger issues, than lack of interest.
Backbreaker, I am duly impressed. I thought I was going to have to make the points you made but you covered it all masterfully.

OP, she is struggling with her sexual desires vs. her faith. Let her go. It would only be destructive to both of you to try to manipulate her into sex.
 

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badboyjmm said:
It's not as clear as you stated... I've read it as well and it doesn't say: Sex should be saved for married. So it's a interpretation made by the people following Christianity, but that doesn't mean that it's the true meaning.
1 Corinthians 7:2 "But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband."
uuh, does it get clearer than that?

editor's note: i'm not bible-thumping, just correcting.
p.s. you're all going to hell :p
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Wow, it's so clear in english... I was reading the bible in french...
 

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This woman is power hungry. "Compromising" with a power hungry woman leads to her seeking more power.

Witholding sex is the ultimate power grab that a woman can do to the average man (and you sir: are average).

It's a power move based on wanting commitment... You will ultimately fail because you will try to talk her into having sex with her again. You will explain how she's illogical, and crazy. She will feel power from witholding sex from you.................. Prove me wrong.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
Backbreaker, I am duly impressed. I thought I was going to have to make the points you made but you covered it all masterfully.

OP, she is struggling with her sexual desires vs. her faith. Let her go. It would only be destructive to both of you to try to manipulate her into sex.
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For the record, I now consider myself agnostic.


Also, I'm not saying it's right to have sex before marriage or wrong to have sex before marriage. I'm saying that, this is where her since of morality is coming from, where all Christan morality SHOULD come from. IN fact i have more rexpect for that "flake" then I ever would for most arm chair religious people who are religious in name only. She is willing to give up something for her devotion to her god, that's impressive to me. Even if I don't agree with her. Wish her well and move on.
 

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good advice

i was just recently dumped by a girl i was dating for a couple months. she stated straight out that she was on a "timeline" and she always wanted to be a mom. now, within the first 3 weeks, we had sex numerous times and it was great. on valentine's day, she comes to me with some story about taking the advice of several church memebers saying if a woman gives her "all" to a man, they won't commit. come on now!!..then at the end of the day, she says she wants to wait 6 months or even till she gets married before she has sex again. she doesn't want the relationship to only be about sex. she was worried because every time we saw each other we would go at it. please..this seems childish, more naive than anything. one of the few simple pleasures in life to be physical with someone you are involved with..why give that up? so, you can play chess or monopoly instead? and wait??..i think you should move on. she didn't think about what i wanted..only her plans. and to me, that's being selfish.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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